[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats

Fri Apr 18 17:39:15 CEST 2014

Hello. I test some things, migrating Winisis J-Isis 
Would you send me the base with 200 MFN? 
I want to put in Winisis,% change there and creating something more disturbing, like keys and reject .. taste. 
If you want ... 
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If you want ... 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Giuzzo Barbaro 
  To: Jean-Claude Dauphin 
  Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats

  Hi Jean-Claude
  many thanks -again- for your reply.
  As for repeatable fields, you are certainly right: but the fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users here used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio - (1989).
  Anyway, I tried to change the data removing the % mark in a limited number of records in the Title field, and the import seems now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in the database will definitively work, also if a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.

  I'm still having problems with the REF function.  :-(   
  Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to display all the records linked to the main one in a hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in the "second-level" description records). The "old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first record linked to the main one, and not all the others. 
  I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST format used in TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to explain what I am talking about.

  Thanks again for your valuable and kind help

  Kind regards
  Giuzzo
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jean-Claude Dauphin 
    To: Giuzzo Barbaro 
    Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org 
    Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM
    Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats

    Hi Giuzzo,

    > a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has 
    > many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-
    > ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)

    I am not sure but the use of % symbol for repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol. Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as  "^aTitle^efirst description^esecond description". This is probably an ISIS particular format for repeatable fields. When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is strange to get the % separator character followed by a subfield letter . 

    > b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
    Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive in the PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in your data, i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it should be ^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.

    > c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft 
    > formats?

    Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)

    Hope this will help,

    Best,

    Jean-Claude Dauphin

    On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:

      Hi to all
      I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000 record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a database used in many Italian libraries) and I get the following problems:
      a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
      b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
      c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?

      Thanks for your help
      Bye
      Giuzzo Barbaro

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