[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - andPFTFormats

Wed Apr 23 00:41:02 CEST 2014

Hello! 
Maybe my post is a little "crazy". 
Attached below others. 
I sent three files, then I can create the TECA base. 
Send an iso with about 100 or 200 MFN 
With Prof. Sara D. Telias we have migrated to J-Isis several fairly complex bases with absolute success. 
I think with it also be so. 
I hope the iso.Hello. 
Maybe my post is a little "crazy". 
Attached below others. 
I sent three files, then I can create the TECA base. 
Send an iso with about 100 or 200 MFN 
With Prof. Sara D. Telias we have migrated to J-Isis several fairly complex bases with absolute success. 
I think with it also be so. 
I hope the iso.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Giuzzo Barbaro 
  To: Jcd ; María Mercedes MacLean ; De Smet Egbert 
  Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - andPFTFormats

  Dear Jean-Claude, Dear Egbert, Dear Maria Mercedes
  first of all I would like to thank you and all the Isis-users group for your kindness and valuable help. This is indeed a very special community and it is really wonderful to have so many friends all around the world!
  (Maria Mercedes I cannot send mail to your email address - I get a NDR message: can you please check your email-address?)

  The CDS-ISIS/WinIsis database "TECA" is the main one in use in many italian libraries (and it is created and supported by DBA, the italian official ISIS distributor). The FDT is a bit complex: the first 8 fields (+subfields) match with the 8 international ISBD (M) areas. The other fields are added to complete the bibliographic description - and for other reasons. Many fields are repeatable.
  The formatting language used to manage repeatable fields is the standard 'CDS-ISIS' one, based -if needed- on the use of the repeatable literals, enclosed in vertical bars (|), eventually preceded or followed by a '+' sign ( +|xxx|)  or (|xxx|+).
  In the standard pft formats we never use to select a single occurrence of a subfield of a given field (e.g. V12^a[1]), because usually all the occurrences are displayed.

  In a multi-volume book we use a "one-to-many" description, based on field 27 (in the first level description it is the link to all second level descriptions - a repeatable field) and on field 28 (in the second level descriptions, linking back to the main one). 
  In PFT formats the REF (L...) function is used to display:
  - "all" the second level (=parts) descriptions Part.1 AND Part.2 And...(when displaying the main record, or searching a term contained in the main description),  
  or:
  - the main record description and "only" the single selected second level description Part.1 OR Part.2 OR ....(when displaying the result of a query of a term contained only in a single second level description of the main one). 

  Actually the main problems importing into JISIS are:
  1. when a single subfield of a field is repeated (using the '%' mark), the JISIS import wizard cuts the first part of the field (e.g V1 contains: ^axxx^byyy^czzz%^bwww^cttt ; in that case all ^axxx^byyy^czzz is missing - in the database(!), not only in the display format). On the other hand, it seems that if you repeat a whole field from the beginning, the import is OK (e.g. V12 is: ^axxx^byyy%^awww^bzzz - all the subfields are imported correctly). (The import into the old CDS-ISIS or WinIsis worked well in both cases)
  2. in the pft format the REF function is not working well; I tried also REF(L('Z=',V27)) - sometimes it displays only the first occurrence in V27
  I attach the field def. table TECA.FDT and the fst TECA.FST and I attach also the standard TECA.pft , the most complete (and complex!) display format in "TECA" database.
  Tomorrow I'll try to select and send you the *.iso export of some records showing these problems during the import process.

  Many thanks !
  Kind regards

  giuzzo

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jcd 
    To: Giuzzo Barbaro 
    Cc: <isis-users at iccisis.org> 
    Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats

    Dear Guizzo,

    Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS language with subfields occurrences such as:
    (V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences
    V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12
    Any other ideas ?

    I will check yr problem with the REF function 

    Best,

    Jean-Claude

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:

      * ...ooops...: I meant "PRI.PFT" (!)
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Giuzzo Barbaro 
        To: Jean-Claude Dauphin 
        Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org 
        Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23 PM
        Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats

        Hi Jean-Claude
        many thanks -again- for your reply.
        As for repeatable fields, you are certainly right: but the fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users here used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio - (1989).
        Anyway, I tried to change the data removing the % mark in a limited number of records in the Title field, and the import seems now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in the database will definitively work, also if a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.

        I'm still having problems with the REF function.  :-(   
        Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to display all the records linked to the main one in a hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in the "second-level" description records). The "old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first record linked to the main one, and not all the others. 
        I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST format used in TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to explain what I am talking about.

        Thanks again for your valuable and kind help

        Kind regards
        Giuzzo
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Jean-Claude Dauphin 
          To: Giuzzo Barbaro 
          Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org 
          Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM
          Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats

          Hi Giuzzo,

          > a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has 
          > many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-
          > ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)

          I am not sure but the use of % symbol for repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol. Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as  "^aTitle^efirst description^esecond description". This is probably an ISIS particular format for repeatable fields. When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is strange to get the % separator character followed by a subfield letter . 

          > b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
          Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive in the PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in your data, i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it should be ^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.

          > c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft 
          > formats?

          Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)

          Hope this will help,

          Best,

          Jean-Claude Dauphin

          On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:

            Hi to all
            I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000 record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a database used in many Italian libraries) and I get the following problems:
            a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
            b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
            c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?

            Thanks for your help
            Bye
            Giuzzo Barbaro

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