[Isis-users] Othority data base

Thu Aug 1 00:45:07 CEST 2019

Edwin, estoy siguiendolos a ti y a Egbert

La FST sigue asi?

100 5 p(v100^a del mpu,if) entonces '/ AU_ / ', v100^a, | | el v100^b, | |
el v100^c, | | el v100^d, | - | el v100^x, '% ', fi,   

400 5 p(v400^a del mpu,if) entonces '/ AU_ / ', (el v400^a, | | el v400^b, |
| el v400^c, | | el v400^d, | - | el v400^x |% | /), fi,  

No entiendo si cambiaste algo

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De: isis-users [mailto:isis-users-bounces+gaspyy=infovia.com.ar at iccisis.org]
En nombre de Edwin Hübner
Enviado el: miércoles, 31 de julio de 2019 06:58 p.m.
Para: Egbert De Smet
CC: isis-users
Asunto: Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base

Hi Egbert,

Based on your explanation, I found out that there really was a problem with
my fst. At the end of the line I had ^x|%|, so the % would only be used if
there exist a ^x, I changed it to ^x,'%' and now the print of the command mx
author fst=@ shows ^o1 and ^o2, as you can see,

100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o2^c1^l1»

But it didn't solve the problem. When I click on Aguilar (the second
occurrence of field 400) it, assigns the same Aguilar and not Aguilar, José
Roberto ...

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 11:29, Egbert De Smet
<egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

Edwin,

according to your output under here, both occurrences are stored as
occurrence 1 (^o1)... so that could explain your problem.

Are you sure you are indexing with the line 

     400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,|
|v400^d,| - |v400^x|%|/),fi, 

?

Anyway it marks both occurrences as occ1.

What is your full FST ?

Egbert de Smet
Universiteit Antwerpen

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From: Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:44 PM
To: Egbert De Smet
Cc: Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
Subject: Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base 

  Google Tradutor 

It seems to be correct. I used the command mx autor fst=@ and an example of
fields 100 and 400, which has two occurrences, is as follows:

100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c2^l1»

Thanks,

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 10:13, Egbert De Smet
<egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

Edwin,

then most probably the script already puts the PFT in a loop, creating a
'nested repeatable format' which results in the known 'semantic error' of
wxis (CISIS).

You could test your records in the terminal with mx to check whether the ID
and OCC are stored correctly, e.g. if your database is named 'test' and you
have a FST 'test.fst' you could use the following command : 

mx test fst=@

without anything more it would present each record one by one just on the
screen with first the listing of the field-contents, followed by the
FST-output, which looks like e.g. : 

mfn=     1 
  1  "1"
  1  "2"
  1  "V1_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
  1  "V1_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
 11  "V11_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
 11  "V11_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
..

This is a single record with 2 occurrences of v1 with resp. values 1 and 2,
but indexed with two different ID's (1 and 11 and accordingly different
prefixes). The interesting part is ^m1^o2^c1^l1 which indicates in ^o the
occurrence counter, in this case 2. 

So now please check if your author-names have different occurrence counters
reflecting their position in v100 and v400. If they are correct then it
might be a bug indeed of the '$$$' extract-as technique with the
autoridades.pft, because then ABCD should be able to correctly extract the
same occurrence of v100 as the one read (listed as) of v400.

Egbert de Smet
Universiteit Antwerpen

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From: Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:01 PM
To: Egbert De Smet
Cc: Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
Subject: Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base 

Dear Egbert,

Yes, I had already tested this alternative  before, using in the
autoridades.pft

case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)  or

case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'v100   

but unfortunately presents the following error: 

WXIS|fatal error|unavoidable|fmt_gener/semantic_error|

Regards,  

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 09:19, Egbert De Smet
<egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

Edwin,

OK, then your 'occurrence counter' must be correctly stored in your IF, so
that doesn't explain the problem.

Maybe you could try - as I don't have easily good testing material at hand
here - to use the brackets to make the field treated as a repeatable field :

case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)

so as to force both the 'list as' and 'extract as' values to come as
separate entries.

I don't see any examples of such repeated groups in the series of
'autoridades.pft' in the ABCD-demo databases, but in the ABCDWIKI pages on
this issue
(http://abcdwiki.net/wiki/es/index.php?title=Control_de_terminolog%C3%ADa:_L
istas_de_autoridades) I can see that it simply refers to 'the format to be
used to transfer the field in the record' (el formato a utilizar para
transferir el campo al registro (extraer como), so in principle a repeatable
group should be allowed and ensures that there is an occurrence counter
being followed as that seems to be the problem.

I have no idea whether it would make a meaningful difference but it's worth
a try. Otherwise Guilda Ascencio should be called to the rescue to check her
implementation in the PHP-scripts (or the IsisScript).

By the way, the FST examples of the WIKI-page use the method  '0' for the
indexing but that should not create any difference in the resulting strings
: 

400  0 mpu,(|AU_|v400^*,|, |V400^b,'%'/)/

Egbert de Smet
Universiteit Antwerpen

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From: Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:08 PM
To: Soraya Ferraz Lima
Cc: Egbert De Smet; isis-users
Subject: Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base 

Hi Egbert,

My fst for fields 100 and 400 is as follows: 

100 5 mpu,if p(v100^a) then '/AU_/',v100^a,| |v100^b,| |v100^c,| |v100^d,| -
|v100^x,'%',fi, 

400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,| |v400^d,|
- |v400^x|%|/),fi,

Remember that when I click on a name that is the first occurrence of field
400, it assigns the name of field 100 (as expected), but if the name that is
clicked is another occurrence, it assigns field 400 instead of 100

Thanks, 

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 07:12, Soraya Ferraz Lima
<soyferrazlima at gmail.com> escreveu:

Hi Edwin!  

Here we use like this

Case 400: v400^a, '$$$', v700

Since the first column is for the field list and after the $$$ is how it
will be stored.

Fst 400 0 |AU_|v400^a

At least that is the way I understand 

Em terça-feira, 30 de julho de 2019, Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner at gmail.com>
escreveu:

Thank you Egbert for your interest in helping. Sorry I didn't explain it
more clearly because it was clear to me.
  Please see further explanation in the attached document.

Regards,

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em ter, 30 de jul de 2019 às 03:45, Egbert De Smet
<egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

Edwin,

sorry but your problem and request is not that clear to me. Probably that is
also why no reply came...

Can you please explain the exact situation : are you clicking on an
occurrence in a PFT (a hyperlink ?), in a picklist of a worksheet or what
exactly do you want to get ?

But before everything : please note that v100 * 4 should actually be v100*4
(no spaces in between). Perhaps that causes problems. 

Egbert de Smet
Universiteit Antwerpen

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From: isis-users <isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=ua.ac.be at iccisis.org> on
behalf of Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 1:19 PM
To: isis-users
Subject: [Isis-users] Othority data base 

Dear,

I have asked for this problem before, but didn't receive help. So I'm asking
again:

I have a MARC bibliographic database and a authority database for the author
names normalization. The problem is: when field 400 - See tracing, for
example, has more than one occurrence and is clicked on a name other than
the first occurrence, ABCD does not assign the name of field 100, as
expected, but the name of field 400 it self. I wonder if anyone has had this
problem and how did solve it?

My autoridades.pft is as follows:
select e3
case 100: v100 * 4 '$$$' v100
case 110: v110 * 4 '$$$' v110
case 111: v111 * 4 '$$$' v111
case 400: v400 * 4 '$$$' v100
case 410: v410 * 4 '$$$' v110
case 411: v411 * 4 '$$$' v111
endsel
Thanks for any help.  

Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

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