[Isis-users] Authority data base

Thu Aug 1 21:18:54 CEST 2019

 Yes, Egbert, it works with "case 400: v400*4'$$$'v100[1]"
I am very grateful for your patience in helping me to solve this "mystery".
Thank you very mutch.
Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675

Em qui, 1 de ago de 2019 às 14:01, Egbert De Smet <
egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

> Edwin,
>
>
> then I think this is the problem : maybe the mechanism is trying to
> retrieve the same occurrence (e.g. 2nd) of v100 and when failing returns
> v400 itself.
>
> So then try to put v100[1] after the '$$$' as 'extract as' PFT. That
> specifically instructs to get the 1st occurrence of the v100 field.
>
> Well, a simple experiment to find out.
>
>
> Egbert de Smet
> Universiteit Antwerpen
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 6:44 PM
> *To:* Maria Mercedes MacLean
> *Cc:* Egbert De Smet; isis-users
> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Authority data base
>
> Hi Maria Mercedes and Egbert,
> Yes, I have changed the fst of 400 to
> '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,| |v400^d,| - |v400^x,'%'/),
>
> Field 100 always has only one occurrence, as in this example:
> 100 ®1#^aAguilar, José Roberto, ^d1941-^xAcervo¯
> 400 ®1#^aJosé Roberto Aguilar.¯
> 400 ®##^aAguilar.¯
> Regards,
> Edwin Hübner
> (5521)99647-1675
>
>
> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 19:45, Maria Mercedes MacLean <
> gaspyy em infovia.com.ar> escreveu:
>
>> Edwin, estoy siguiendolos a ti y a Egbert…
>>
>> La FST sigue asi?
>>
>> 100 5 p(v100^a del mpu,if) entonces '/ AU_ / ', v100^a, | | el v100^b, |
>> | el v100^c, | | el v100^d, | - | el v100^x, '% ', fi,
>>
>>
>>
>> 400 5 p(v400^a del mpu,if) entonces '/ AU_ / ', (el v400^a, | | el
>> v400^b, | | el v400^c, | | el v400^d, | - | el v400^x |% | /), fi,
>>
>>
>>
>> No entiendo si cambiaste algo…
>>
>> Gracias!!!
>>
>> Saludito a los dos.
>>
>> María Mercedes MacLean
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *De:* isis-users [mailto:isis-users-bounces+gaspyy=
>> infovia.com.ar em iccisis.org] *En nombre de *Edwin Hübner
>> *Enviado el:* miércoles, 31 de julio de 2019 06:58 p.m.
>> *Para:* Egbert De Smet
>> *CC:* isis-users
>> *Asunto:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Egbert,
>>
>> Based on your explanation, I found out that there really was a problem
>> with my fst. At the end of the line I had ^x|%|, so the % would only be
>> used if there exist a ^x, I changed it to ^x,'%' and now the print of the
>> command mx author fst=@ shows ^o1 and ^o2, as you can see,
>>
>> 100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
>> 400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
>> 400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o2^c1^l1»
>>
>> But it didn't solve the problem. When I click on Aguilar (
>> the second occurrence of field 400) it, assigns the same Aguilar and not
>> Aguilar, José Roberto ...
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 11:29, Egbert De Smet <
>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>
>> Edwin,
>>
>>
>>
>> according to your output under here, both occurrences are stored as
>> occurrence 1 (^o1)... so that could explain your problem.
>>
>> Are you sure you are indexing with the line
>>
>>      400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,|
>> |v400^d,| - |v400^x|%|/),fi,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Anyway it marks both occurrences as occ1.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is your full FST ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:44 PM
>> *To:* Egbert De Smet
>> *Cc:* Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>>
>>
>>   Google Tradutor
>>
>> It seems to be correct. I used the command mx autor fst=@ and an example
>> of fields 100 and 400, which has two occurrences, is as follows:
>>
>> 100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
>> 400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
>> 400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c2^l1»
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 10:13, Egbert De Smet <
>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>
>> Edwin,
>>
>>
>>
>> then most probably the script already puts the PFT in a loop, creating a
>> 'nested repeatable format' which results in the known 'semantic error' of
>> wxis (CISIS).
>>
>> You could test your records in the terminal with mx to check whether the
>> ID and OCC are stored correctly, e.g. if your database is named 'test' and
>> you have a FST 'test.fst' you could use the following command :
>>
>> mx test fst=@
>>
>> without anything more it would present each record one by one just on the
>> screen with first the listing of the field-contents, followed by the
>> FST-output, which looks like e.g. :
>>
>> mfn=     1
>>   1  "1"
>>   1  "2"
>>   1  "V1_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
>>   1  "V1_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
>>  11  "V11_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
>>  11  "V11_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
>> ..
>>
>> This is a single record with 2 occurrences of v1 with resp. values 1 and
>> 2, but indexed with two different ID's (1 and 11 and accordingly different
>> prefixes). The interesting part is ^m1^o2^c1^l1 which indicates in ^o the
>> occurrence counter, in this case 2.
>>
>> So now please check if your author-names have different occurrence
>> counters reflecting their position in v100 and v400. If they are correct
>> then it might be a bug indeed of the '$$$' extract-as technique with the
>> autoridades.pft, because then ABCD should be able to correctly extract the
>> same occurrence of v100 as the one read (listed as) of v400.
>>
>>
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:01 PM
>> *To:* Egbert De Smet
>> *Cc:* Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Egbert,
>>
>> Yes, I had already tested this alternative  before, using in the
>> autoridades.pft
>>
>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)  or
>>
>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'v100
>>
>> but unfortunately presents the following error:
>>
>> WXIS|fatal error|unavoidable|fmt_gener/semantic_error|
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 09:19, Egbert De Smet <
>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>
>> Edwin,
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, then your 'occurrence counter' must be correctly stored in your IF,
>> so that doesn't explain the problem.
>>
>> Maybe you could try - as I don't have easily good testing material at
>> hand here - to use the brackets to make the field treated as a repeatable
>> field :
>>
>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)
>>
>> so as to force both the 'list as' and 'extract as' values to come as
>> separate entries.
>>
>> I don't see any examples of such repeated groups in the series of
>> 'autoridades.pft' in the ABCD-demo databases, but in the ABCDWIKI pages on
>> this issue (
>> http://abcdwiki.net/wiki/es/index.php?title=Control_de_terminolog%C3%ADa:_Listas_de_autoridades)
>> I can see that it simply refers to 'the format to be used to transfer the
>> field in the record' (el formato a utilizar para transferir el campo al
>> registro (extraer como), so in principle a repeatable group should be
>> allowed and ensures that there is an occurrence counter being followed as
>> that seems to be the problem.
>>
>> I have no idea whether it would make a meaningful difference but it's
>> worth a try. Otherwise Guilda Ascencio should be called to the rescue to
>> check her implementation in the PHP-scripts (or the IsisScript).
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, the FST examples of the WIKI-page use the method  '0' for the
>> indexing but that should not create any difference in the resulting strings
>> :
>>
>> 400  0 mpu,(|AU_|v400^*,|, |V400^b,'%'/)/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:08 PM
>> *To:* Soraya Ferraz Lima
>> *Cc:* Egbert De Smet; isis-users
>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Egbert,
>>
>> My fst for fields 100 and 400 is as follows:
>>
>> 100 5 mpu,if p(v100^a) then '/AU_/',v100^a,| |v100^b,| |v100^c,|
>> |v100^d,| - |v100^x,'%',fi,
>>
>> 400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,|
>> |v400^d,| - |v400^x|%|/),fi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember that when I click on a name that is the first occurrence of
>> field 400, it assigns the name of field 100 (as expected), but if the name
>> that is clicked is another occurrence, it assigns field 400 instead of 100
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 07:12, Soraya Ferraz Lima <
>> soyferrazlima em gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Edwin!
>>
>>
>>
>> Here we use like this
>>
>>
>>
>> Case 400: v400^a, '$$$', v700
>>
>>
>>
>> Since the first column is for the field list and after the $$$ is how it
>> will be stored.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fst 400 0 |AU_|v400^a
>>
>>
>>
>> At least that is the way I understand
>>
>> Em terça-feira, 30 de julho de 2019, Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Thank you Egbert for your interest in helping. Sorry I didn't explain it
>> more clearly because it was clear to me.
>>   Please see further explanation in the attached document.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em ter, 30 de jul de 2019 às 03:45, Egbert De Smet <
>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>
>> Edwin,
>>
>>
>>
>> sorry but your problem and request is not that clear to me. Probably that
>> is also why no reply came...
>>
>> Can you please explain the exact situation : are you clicking on an
>> occurrence in a PFT (a hyperlink ?), in a picklist of a worksheet or what
>> exactly do you want to get ?
>>
>> But before everything : please note that v100 * 4 should actually be
>> v100*4 (no spaces in between). Perhaps that causes problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* isis-users <isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=ua.ac.be em iccisis.org>
>> on behalf of Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 1:19 PM
>> *To:* isis-users
>> *Subject:* [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear,
>>
>> I have asked for this problem before, but didn't receive help. So I'm
>> asking again:
>>
>>
>> I have a MARC bibliographic database and a authority database for the
>> author names normalization. The problem is: when field 400 - See tracing,
>> for example, has more than one occurrence and is clicked on a name other
>> than the first occurrence, ABCD does not assign the name of field 100, as
>> expected, but the name of field 400 it self. I wonder if anyone has had
>> this problem and how did solve it?
>>
>>
>> My autoridades.pft is as follows:
>> select e3
>> case 100: v100 * 4 '$$$' v100
>> case 110: v110 * 4 '$$$' v110
>> case 111: v111 * 4 '$$$' v111
>> case 400: v400 * 4 '$$$' v100
>> case 410: v410 * 4 '$$$' v110
>> case 411: v411 * 4 '$$$' v111
>> endsel
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
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