[Isis-users] Othority data base

[Edwin Hübner]

Hi Egbert,
Based on your explanation, I found out that there really was a problem with
my fst. At the end of the line I had ^x|%|, so the % would only be used if
there exist a ^x, I changed it to ^x,'%' and now the print of the command
mx author fst=@ shows ^o1 and ^o2, as you can see,
100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o2^c1^l1»
But it didn't solve the problem. When I click on Aguilar (the second
occurrence of field 400) it, assigns the same Aguilar and not Aguilar, José
Roberto ...
Edwin Hübner
(5521)99647-1675


Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 11:29, Egbert De Smet <
egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:

> Edwin,
>
>
> according to your output under here, both occurrences are stored as
> occurrence 1 (^o1)... so that could explain your problem.
>
> Are you sure you are indexing with the line
>
>      400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,|
> |v400^d,| - |v400^x|%|/),fi,
>
> ?
>
> Anyway it marks both occurrences as occ1.
>
>
> What is your full FST ?
>
>
> Egbert de Smet
> Universiteit Antwerpen
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:44 PM
> *To:* Egbert De Smet
> *Cc:* Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>
>   Google Tradutor
> It seems to be correct. I used the command mx autor fst=@ and an example
> of fields 100 and 400, which has two occurrences, is as follows:
> 100  «AU_AGUILAR, JOSÚ ROBERTO,  1941- - ACERVO^m10^o1^c1^l2»
> 400  «AU_JOSÚ ROBERTO AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c1^l2»
> 400  «AU_AGUILAR.^m10^o1^c2^l1»
> Thanks,
> Edwin Hübner
> (5521)99647-1675
>
>
> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 10:13, Egbert De Smet <
> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>
>> Edwin,
>>
>>
>> then most probably the script already puts the PFT in a loop, creating a
>> 'nested repeatable format' which results in the known 'semantic error' of
>> wxis (CISIS).
>>
>> You could test your records in the terminal with mx to check whether the
>> ID and OCC are stored correctly, e.g. if your database is named 'test' and
>> you have a FST 'test.fst' you could use the following command :
>>
>> mx test fst=@
>>
>> without anything more it would present each record one by one just on the
>> screen with first the listing of the field-contents, followed by the
>> FST-output, which looks like e.g. :
>>
>> mfn=     1
>>   1  "1"
>>   1  "2"
>>   1  "V1_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
>>   1  "V1_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
>>  11  "V11_1^m1^o1^c1^l1"
>>  11  "V11_2^m1^o2^c1^l1"
>> ..
>>
>> This is a single record with 2 occurrences of v1 with resp. values 1 and
>> 2, but indexed with two different ID's (1 and 11 and accordingly different
>> prefixes). The interesting part is ^m1^o2^c1^l1 which indicates in ^o
>> the occurrence counter, in this case 2.
>>
>> So now please check if your author-names have different occurrence
>> counters reflecting their position in v100 and v400. If they are correct
>> then it might be a bug indeed of the '$$$' extract-as technique with the
>> autoridades.pft, because then ABCD should be able to correctly extract the
>> same occurrence of v100 as the one read (listed as) of v400.
>>
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:01 PM
>> *To:* Egbert De Smet
>> *Cc:* Soraya Ferraz Lima; isis-users
>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>
>> Dear Egbert,
>> Yes, I had already tested this alternative  before, using in the
>> autoridades.pft
>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)  or
>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'v100
>> but unfortunately presents the following error:
>> WXIS|fatal error|unavoidable|fmt_gener/semantic_error|
>>
>> Regards,
>> Edwin Hübner
>> (5521)99647-1675
>>
>>
>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 09:19, Egbert De Smet <
>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>
>>> Edwin,
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, then your 'occurrence counter' must be correctly stored in your IF,
>>> so that doesn't explain the problem.
>>>
>>> Maybe you could try - as I don't have easily good testing material at
>>> hand here - to use the brackets to make the field treated as a repeatable
>>> field :
>>>
>>> case 400: (v400*4/)'$$$'(v100/)
>>>
>>> so as to force both the 'list as' and 'extract as' values to come as
>>> separate entries.
>>>
>>> I don't see any examples of such repeated groups in the series of
>>> 'autoridades.pft' in the ABCD-demo databases, but in the ABCDWIKI pages on
>>> this issue (
>>> http://abcdwiki.net/wiki/es/index.php?title=Control_de_terminolog%C3%ADa:_Listas_de_autoridades)
>>> I can see that it simply refers to 'the format to be used to transfer the
>>> field in the record' (el formato a utilizar para transferir el campo al
>>> registro (extraer como), so in principle a repeatable group should be
>>> allowed and ensures that there is an occurrence counter being followed as
>>> that seems to be the problem.
>>>
>>> I have no idea whether it would make a meaningful difference but it's
>>> worth a try. Otherwise Guilda Ascencio should be called to the rescue
>>> to check her implementation in the PHP-scripts (or the IsisScript).
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, the FST examples of the WIKI-page use the method  '0' for
>>> the indexing but that should not create any difference in the resulting
>>> strings :
>>>
>>> 400  0 mpu,(|AU_|v400^*,|, |V400^b,'%'/)/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Egbert de Smet
>>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Edwin Hübner <edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:08 PM
>>> *To:* Soraya Ferraz Lima
>>> *Cc:* Egbert De Smet; isis-users
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>>
>>> Hi Egbert,
>>> My fst for fields 100 and 400 is as follows:
>>> 100 5 mpu,if p(v100^a) then '/AU_/',v100^a,| |v100^b,| |v100^c,|
>>> |v100^d,| - |v100^x,'%',fi,
>>> 400 5 mpu,if p(v400^a) then '/AU_/',(v400^a,| |v400^b,| |v400^c,|
>>> |v400^d,| - |v400^x|%|/),fi,
>>>
>>> Remember that when I click on a name that is the first occurrence of
>>> field 400, it assigns the name of field 100 (as expected), but if the name
>>> that is clicked is another occurrence, it assigns field 400 instead of
>>> 100
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Edwin Hübner
>>> (5521)99647-1675
>>>
>>>
>>> Em qua, 31 de jul de 2019 às 07:12, Soraya Ferraz Lima <
>>> soyferrazlima em gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi Edwin!
>>>>
>>>> Here we use like this
>>>>
>>>> Case 400: v400^a, '$$$', v700
>>>>
>>>> Since the first column is for the field list and after the $$$ is how
>>>> it will be stored.
>>>>
>>>> Fst 400 0 |AU_|v400^a
>>>>
>>>> At least that is the way I understand
>>>>
>>>> Em terça-feira, 30 de julho de 2019, Edwin Hübner <
>>>> edwin.hubner em gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Egbert for your interest in helping. Sorry I didn't explain
>>>>> it more clearly because it was clear to me.
>>>>>   Please see further explanation in the attached document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Edwin Hübner
>>>>> (5521)99647-1675
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em ter, 30 de jul de 2019 às 03:45, Egbert De Smet <
>>>>> egbert.desmet em uantwerpen.be> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Edwin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry but your problem and request is not that clear to me. Probably
>>>>>> that is also why no reply came...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please explain the exact situation : are you clicking on an
>>>>>> occurrence in a PFT (a hyperlink ?), in a picklist of a worksheet or what
>>>>>> exactly do you want to get ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But before everything : please note that v100 * 4 should actually be
>>>>>> v100*4 (no spaces in between). Perhaps that causes problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Egbert de Smet
>>>>>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* isis-users <isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=
>>>>>> ua.ac.be em iccisis.org> on behalf of Edwin Hübner <
>>>>>> edwin.hubner em gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 1:19 PM
>>>>>> *To:* isis-users
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Isis-users] Othority data base
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear,
>>>>>> I have asked for this problem before, but didn't receive help. So I'm
>>>>>> asking again:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a MARC bibliographic database and a authority database for the
>>>>>> author names normalization. The problem is: when field 400 - See
>>>>>> tracing, for example, has more than one occurrence and is clicked on a name
>>>>>> other than the first occurrence, ABCD does not assign the name of field
>>>>>> 100, as expected, but the name of field 400 it self. I wonder if anyone has
>>>>>> had this problem and how did solve it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My autoridades.pft is as follows:
>>>>>> select e3
>>>>>> case 100: v100 * 4 '$$$' v100
>>>>>> case 110: v110 * 4 '$$$' v110
>>>>>> case 111: v111 * 4 '$$$' v111
>>>>>> case 400: v400 * 4 '$$$' v100
>>>>>> case 410: v410 * 4 '$$$' v110
>>>>>> case 411: v411 * 4 '$$$' v111
>>>>>> endsel
>>>>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>>>> Edwin Hübner
>>>>>> (5521)99647-1675
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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