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>What happens if you want to use a commercial web hosting
service, such as dreamhost or similar, where you are given a space
where you can upload your >applications, but no direct access to
the configuration file of Apache or its equivalent nor direct dialog
with the administrators?
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Dear Wenke:<br>
<br>
This is exactly my problem: our recent provider is rejecting
certain scripts and that is why I am trying to have an own windows
server now...<br>
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By the way Abel was recommending siteground as a hosting service...<br>
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Egbert: Thank you very much for your repeated and continuous help!<br>
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Sincere regards<br>
<br>
Leyla<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.12.2012 21:50, schrieb Wenke
Adam:<br>
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<div>El tema ha sido ventilado antes, pero según he entendido,
siempre en el contexto en que <b>la persona que administra el
ABCD también tiene acceso al servidor</b>, ya sea como
administrador directo del Apache o programa equivalente, o si
no, por lo menos con un diálogo fluido con los administradores
institucionales de manera a poder editar/hacer editar el archivo
de configuración del servidor web para incluir las respectivas
rutas, puertos, alias, etc que lleven a nuestra aplicación.</div>
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<div>¿Qué sucede en el caso de usar un servicio comercial, tipo
Dreamhost, en que la empresa nos otorga un espacio al que
podemos subir nuestras aplicaciones, pero no nos permite acceso
directo al servidor web ni a su configuración, ni diálogo con
los administradores?</div>
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<div>¿Sería posible hacer funcionar el ABCD en estas condiciones?</div>
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<div>Y qué sucede con aplicaciones más antiguas, tales como
GenisisWeb que genera aplicaciones usando wwwisis en vez de
wxis? ¿Podrían funcionar así?</div>
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<div>Agradecería muchísimo si alguien me pudiera aclarar este
tema. </div>
<div>Gracias</div>
<div>Wenke</div>
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<div>Dear friends:</div>
<div>This issue has been discussed more than a few times before,
but, as far as I have understood it until now, always in the
context that <b>the ABCD administrator also has access to the
webserver</b>, either directly or at least through a fluid
contact with the institutional administrators, in order to have
the relevant paths, ports, aliases, etc. included in the
server's configuration file.</div>
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<div>What happens if you want to use a commercial web hosting
service, such as dreamhost or similar, where you are given a
space where you can upload your applications, but no direct
access to the configuration file of Apache or its equivalent nor
direct dialog with the administrators?</div>
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<div>Would it be possible to make ABCD work under these
conditions?</div>
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<div>And, would it work for older applications, such as
GenIsisWeb, that uses wwwisis instead of wxis?</div>
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<div>I would be very greatful if someone could explain this to me.</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
Wenke</div>
<div><br>
Basically, what I don´t understand is the following, see my
comments in red/bold:</div>
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<i>A quite practical way of doing things is the idea of 'virtual
hosts' : you put a specific configuration file for ABCD
(defining DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias) inside a subfolder of
the configuration folder and tell the system to read all those
files as part of the configuration by 'including' the folder
itself. <b style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
color="#990000">In a subfolder of which configuration
folder? The webserver's configuration folder? How do I
"tell the system"?</font></b><br>
Each of the files there identify the virtual folder by name or
by port.</i><br>
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Regards</div>
<div>Wenke</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/6 De Smet Egbert <span
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This issue
has been discussed a few times before.<br>
The general idea is that when installing ABCD on a 'real'
server (meaning mostly : a 'dedicated' server for
web-applications), it behaves very much like any other
web-application running under a CGI-capable web-server (e.g.
Apache but also IIS).<br>
But mostly in such cases the administrator of the server
will decide on how to install it and probably do it
him/herself, depending on local conditions of already
installed server-configurations and other applications.
Mostly administrators of servers will not accept you to tell
them where and how to install the ABCD-system - which for
that reason is quite flexible in installation requirements.<br>
That is why it is difficult to give exact instructions which
work for all such local conditions.<br>
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Generally there are 2 parameters to decide on : DocumentRoot
and ScriptAlias. I am using the Apache vocabulary here but
it is simliar in IIS, e.g. 'virtual folder' is used in IIS
to allow defining folders outside the proper IIS-subfolders
to be accessed by applications.<br>
The ABCD htdocs-folder is the one to become 'DocumentRoot'
and the www/cgi-bin folder (with subfolders in the near
future) will be the ScriptAlias where executables are
allowed to run. So these are the two paths to note down and
pass on to the server administrator. In principle they can
be anywhere in the file-system but on a server won't be as
the default configuration on a Windows personal computer :
C:\ABCD\www. In Linux e.g. they could be in the folder
/var/www/ABCD or /opt/ABCD.<br>
<br>
A quite practical way of doing things is the idea of
'virtual hosts' : you put a specific configuration file for
ABCD (defining DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias) inside a
subfolder of the configuration folder and tell the system to
read all those files as part of the configuration by
'including' the folder itself.<br>
Each of the files there identify the virtual folder by name
or by port.<br>
<br>
If so desired we could provide sample such configuration
files, but always taking into account the chosen paths would
have to be changed according to local conditions and policy
of the server administrator.<br>
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Egbert de Smet<br>
IOIW / U&S<br>
Universiteit Antwerpen<br>
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<div class="h5"><br>
very interesting question so I used google translate to
read Luis' message.<br>
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I would be interested in the answers as well<br>
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Thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
Leyla Schoen<br>
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Am 06.12.2012 00:11, schrieb Luis Peña:<br>
Veo que con mucha frecuencia que se pide ayuda sobre la
configuración del ABCD en un servidor real.<br>
Por favor, alquien pudiera mandar un tutorial de como lo
ha hecho en su institución.<br>
<br>
Seria bueno disponer de un manual con capturas de
imágenes, de los procedimientos para configurar ABCD en
un servidor real.<br>
<br>
Por ejemplo en mi institucion utilizan Internet
Information Service, diseñado especialmente para ASP, a
mi me gustaría tener algunas instrucciones.<br>
<br>
Pido esto por la colectividad que necesita montar ABCD
en el server de su institucion, ya que ABCD viene listo
para funcionar una PC local.<br>
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Alguien se anima, por favor?<br>
<br>
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