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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"
align=justify>Dear Mr Wenke,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"
align=justify>If the administrator of a webhosting service does not allow you to
add a few lines to the <I>httpd.conf</I> (a text page) which gives directives to
the executable applications of ABCD (in the <I>cgi-bin</I> folder), you cannot
make the ABCD work like a website, as far as I could understand. </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"
align=justify>Some hosting services, particularly the low paid ones, do not
allow its service users to make any such changes. They provide access to the
<I>htdocs</I> folder (the root folder) alone. One can create a website with
<I>html </I>pages by just uploading the files to the <I>root </I>folder alone
and without making any changes in the server configuration. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Similarly once can upload a Content
Management System like Drupal/Joomla/Word press because almost every web server
will have Apache, PHP and MySql pre-installed. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"
align=justify>But to install software like Greenstone/ABCD, it is necessary to
make changes in the configuration file, as well.</P>
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Rajasekharan<BR>KILA, Mulagunnathukavu</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wenkeadam@gmail.com
href="mailto:wenkeadam@gmail.com">Wenke Adam</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 10, 2012 7:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be">De Smet Egbert</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=isis-users@iccisis.org
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org">CDS/ISIS Liste</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] ABCD en un server real</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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<DIV>As I understand it, doses your reply indirectly indicate that if the
commercial hosting service is not willing to add anything to the httpd.conf
file, nor restart Apache, then the wxis based applications will not work?</DIV>
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<DIV>wenke</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2012/12/10 De Smet Egbert <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be"
target=_blank>egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be</A>></SPAN><BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Reply
to Wenke about Virtual Host in Apache for ABCD :<BR><BR>- make sure the
httpd.conf (main configuration file of Apache in conf-subfolder of Apache)
contains the following line somewhere (e.g. at the end) :<BR>Include
conf/extra/httpd-vhosts-abcd.conf<BR>- in the subfolder of 'conf' named
'extra', create a file named httpd-vhosts-abcd.conf which defines DocumentRoot
and ScriptAlias for ABCD, see the attached example (taken from the new
ABCD-version which will use this configuration) in which you have to check and
edit the paths for your local situation.<BR><BR>Restart Apache in order to
re-load the configuration. The first step above means the system is told to
read the configuration file specifically for ABCD found in the
extra-subfolder, then in that specific configuration file Apache finds
DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias defined for ABCD. In the sample file it is
assumed you want to run ABCD on port 9090 because of the
statement<BR><VirtualHost *:9090><BR>where you could of course also
indicate another port (e.g. 80) to which Apache is told to 'listen' in its
main configuration file.<BR><BR>If one wants to use several applications with
several ports (e.g. one with port 80, one with port 9090), a file ports.conf
can be used, also to be added in the main file by an 'include' statement, to
list the different 'listen' statements.<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR>Egbert de Smet<BR>IOIW / U&S<BR>Universiteit
Antwerpen<BR>________________________________________<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:isis-users-bounces@iccisis.org">isis-users-bounces@iccisis.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:isis-users-bounces@iccisis.org">isis-users-bounces@iccisis.org</A>]
on behalf of Leyla Schön [<A
href="mailto:l.schoen@bzfo.de">l.schoen@bzfo.de</A>]<BR></DIV>Sent: Monday,
December 10, 2012 9:13 AM<BR>
<DIV class=im>To: CDS/ISIS Liste<BR>Subject: Re: [Isis-users] ABCD en un
server real<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>>What happens if you want to use a commercial web hosting
service, such as dreamhost or similar, where you are given a space where you
can upload your >applications, but no direct access to the configuration
file of Apache or its equivalent nor direct dialog with the
administrators?<BR><BR>Dear Wenke:<BR><BR>This is exactly my problem: our
recent provider is rejecting certain scripts and that is why I am trying to
have an own windows server now...<BR><BR>By the way Abel was recommending
siteground as a hosting service...<BR><BR>Egbert: Thank you very much for your
repeated and continuous help!<BR><BR>Sincere
regards<BR><BR>Leyla<BR><BR><BR>Am 07.12.2012 21:50, schrieb Wenke
Adam:<BR>Estimado@s:<BR><BR>El tema ha sido ventilado antes, pero según he
entendido, siempre en el contexto en que la persona que administra el ABCD
también tiene acceso al servidor, ya sea como administrador directo del Apache
o programa equivalente, o si no, por lo menos con un diálogo fluido con los
administradores institucionales de manera a poder editar/hacer editar el
archivo de configuración del servidor web para incluir las respectivas rutas,
puertos, alias, etc que lleven a nuestra aplicación.<BR><BR>¿Qué sucede en el
caso de usar un servicio comercial, tipo Dreamhost, en que la empresa nos
otorga un espacio al que podemos subir nuestras aplicaciones, pero no nos
permite acceso directo al servidor web ni a su configuración, ni diálogo con
los administradores?<BR><BR>¿Sería posible hacer funcionar el ABCD en estas
condiciones?<BR><BR>Y qué sucede con aplicaciones más antiguas, tales como
GenisisWeb que genera aplicaciones usando wwwisis en vez de wxis? ¿Podrían
funcionar así?<BR><BR>Agradecería muchísimo si alguien me pudiera aclarar este
tema.<BR>Gracias<BR>Wenke<BR><BR>Dear friends:<BR>This issue has been
discussed more than a few times before, but, as far as I have understood it
until now, always in the context that the ABCD administrator also has access
to the webserver, either directly or at least through a fluid contact with the
institutional administrators, in order to have the relevant paths, ports,
aliases, etc. included in the server's configuration file.<BR><BR>What happens
if you want to use a commercial web hosting service, such as dreamhost or
similar, where you are given a space where you can upload your applications,
but no direct access to the configuration file of Apache or its equivalent nor
direct dialog with the administrators?<BR><BR>Would it be possible to make
ABCD work under these conditions?<BR><BR>And, would it work for older
applications, such as GenIsisWeb, that uses wwwisis instead of wxis?<BR><BR>I
would be very greatful if someone could explain this to
me.<BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Wenke<BR><BR>Basically, what I don´t understand is the
following, see my comments in red/bold:<BR><BR>A quite practical way of doing
things is the idea of 'virtual hosts' : you put a specific configuration file
for ABCD (defining DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias) inside a subfolder of the
configuration folder and tell the system to read all those files as part of
the configuration by 'including' the folder itself. In a subfolder of which
configuration folder? The webserver's configuration folder? How do I "tell the
system"?<BR>Each of the files there identify the virtual folder by name or by
port.<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Wenke<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>2012/12/6 De
Smet Egbert <<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be">egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be">egbert.desmet@ua.ac.be</A>>><BR>
<DIV class=im>This issue has been discussed a few times before.<BR>The general
idea is that when installing ABCD on a 'real' server (meaning mostly : a
'dedicated' server for web-applications), it behaves very much like any other
web-application running under a CGI-capable web-server (e.g. Apache but also
IIS).<BR>But mostly in such cases the administrator of the server will decide
on how to install it and probably do it him/herself, depending on local
conditions of already installed server-configurations and other applications.
Mostly administrators of servers will not accept you to tell them where and
how to install the ABCD-system - which for that reason is quite flexible in
installation requirements.<BR>That is why it is difficult to give exact
instructions which work for all such local conditions.<BR><BR>Generally there
are 2 parameters to decide on : DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias. I am using the
Apache vocabulary here but it is simliar in IIS, e.g. 'virtual folder' is used
in IIS to allow defining folders outside the proper IIS-subfolders to be
accessed by applications.<BR>The ABCD htdocs-folder is the one to become
'DocumentRoot' and the www/cgi-bin folder (with subfolders in the near future)
will be the ScriptAlias where executables are allowed to run. So these are the
two paths to note down and pass on to the server administrator. In principle
they can be anywhere in the file-system but on a server won't be as the
default configuration on a Windows personal computer : C:\ABCD\www. In Linux
e.g. they could be in the folder /var/www/ABCD or /opt/ABCD.<BR><BR>A quite
practical way of doing things is the idea of 'virtual hosts' : you put a
specific configuration file for ABCD (defining DocumentRoot and ScriptAlias)
inside a subfolder of the configuration folder and tell the system to read all
those files as part of the configuration by 'including' the folder
itself.<BR>Each of the files there identify the virtual folder by name or by
port.<BR><BR>If so desired we could provide sample such configuration files,
but always taking into account the chosen paths would have to be changed
according to local conditions and policy of the server
administrator.<BR><BR>Egbert de Smet<BR>IOIW / U&S<BR>Universiteit
Antwerpen<BR>________________________________________<BR></DIV>From: <A
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on behalf of Leyla Schön [<A
href="mailto:l.schoen@bzfo.de">l.schoen@bzfo.de</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:l.schoen@bzfo.de">l.schoen@bzfo.de</A>>]<BR>
<DIV class=im>Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:24 AM<BR>To: CDS/ISIS
Liste<BR>Subject: Re: [Isis-users] ABCD en un server real<BR><BR>very
interesting question so I used google translate to read Luis'
message.<BR><BR>I would be interested in the answers as
well<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR><BR>Leyla Schoen<BR><BR><BR>Am 06.12.2012 00:11,
schrieb Luis Peña:<BR>Veo que con mucha frecuencia que se pide ayuda sobre la
configuración del ABCD en un servidor real.<BR>Por favor, alquien pudiera
mandar un tutorial de como lo ha hecho en su institución.<BR><BR>Seria bueno
disponer de un manual con capturas de imágenes, de los procedimientos para
configurar ABCD en un servidor real.<BR><BR>Por ejemplo en mi institucion
utilizan Internet Information Service, diseñado especialmente para ASP, a mi
me gustaría tener algunas instrucciones.<BR><BR>Pido esto por la colectividad
que necesita montar ABCD en el server de su institucion, ya que ABCD viene
listo para funcionar una PC local.<BR><BR>Alguien se anima, por
favor?<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>isis-users
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