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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear JC<br>
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With the suggested syntax, how do you distinguish between a
repeatable field from the repeatable subfield?<br>
<br>
Example<br>
<br>
<b><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> v12[1] ^aPersonal
Name1 ^dDates ^rRelator term 1.1 ^rRelator term 1.2<br>
v12[2] ^aPersonal Name2 ^dDates ^rRelator term 2.1<br>
v12[3] ^aPersonal Name3 ^dDates ^rRelator term 3.1 ^rRelator
term 3.2</font></b><br>
<br>
now, you want to extract the first subfield ^r from the third occ
of the field v12<br>
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Regards<br>
Ernesto Spiak<br>
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El 20/04/2014 17:32, Jcd escribió:<br>
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<div>Dear Guizzo,</div>
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<div>Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in
ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS
language with subfields occurrences such as:</div>
<div>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</div>
<div>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12</div>
<div>Any other ideas ?</div>
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<div>I will check yr problem with the REF function </div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Jean-Claude</div>
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On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<a
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April
17, 2014 11:23 PM</div>
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[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Jean-Claude</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">many thanks -again- for
your reply.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As for repeatable fields,
you are certainly right: but the fact is that, for
some reason, we and many other users here used to insert
the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same
field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous
subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous subfield
delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on the
basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro
CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del
Bigio - (1989).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Anyway, I tried to change
the data removing the % mark in a limited number of
records in the Title field, and the import seems now to
work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure
that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in
the database will <span id="result_box"
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size="2">definitively</font> </font></span></span>work,
also if a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm still having problems
with the REF function. :-( </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Tag V27 (indexed as
"Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to display all
the records linked to the main one in a hierarchical
relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent
one in the "second-level" description records). The
"old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well
both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the
format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also
with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most
only the first record linked to the main one, and not
all the others. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I attach to this mail the
"original" PRI.FST format used in TECA database
(imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to explain
what I am talking about.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks again for your
valuable and kind help</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Kind regards</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Giuzzo</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April
17, 2014 6:54 PM</div>
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[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">Hi Giuzzo,</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">> a) Repeatable subfields.
when you use the % symbol to repeat only some
subfields of a certain field (and not the whole
field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the
field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1
(Title) has </font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">> many</font><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">subfields
delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
"^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it
cuts the Title and the first description. If you
repeat the whole field beginning from the first
subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
small">> ISIS Export/Import option worked well in
both cases.)</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
small"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE:
small">I am not sure but the use of % symbol for
repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709
symbol. Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">"^aTitle^efirst
description^esecond description". This is probably
an ISIS particular format for repeatable fields.
When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is
strange to get the % separator character followed by
a subfield letter . </span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">> b) The ISIS pft formats
were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the
subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the
same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive
(?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters
to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it
correct? - The problem is that someone used the
upper case, someone the lower(!)</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">Well, it's true subfield
delimiters are case sensitive in the PFTs but it
should correspond to what you have in your data,
i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it should be
^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">> c) How can I manage the
REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS?
TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display
the contents of the single parts of a many-volume
book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in
JISIS pft </font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">> formats?</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
13px"><font face="Arial">Have a look to page 57 and 62
of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It should be
something like REF(L(V27),<format>)</font></div>
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13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Hope this will help,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Jean-Claude Dauphin</font></div>
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PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div><font face="Arial">Hi to all</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'm trying to import into
JISIS a 6.000 record ISIS-WinISIS database
called TECA (it is a database used in many
Italian libraries) and I get the following
problems:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">a) Repeatable subfields.
when you use the % symbol to repeat only some
subfields of a certain field (and not the
whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the
part of the field before the % symbol . For
example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields
delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
"^aTitle^efirst description%esecond
description" it cuts the Title and the first
description. If you repeat the whole field
beginning from the first subfield the import
is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import option
worked well in both cases.)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">b) The ISIS pft formats
were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the
subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems
that the same formats imported in JISIS are
case sensitive (?). So I need to change all
the subfield delimiters to one of the two
formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The
problem is that someone used the upper case,
someone the lower(!)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">c) How can I manage the
REF function used in ISIS pft formats in
JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order
to display the contents of the single parts of
a many-volume book. Is it possible to
translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Thanks for your help</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Bye</font></div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo Barbaro</font></div>
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