<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Guizzo,</div><div><br></div><div>Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS language with subfields occurrences such as:</div><div>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</div><div>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12</div><div>Any other ideas ?</div><div><br></div><div>I will check yr problem with the REF function </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Jean-Claude</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<a href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">* ...ooops...: I meant "PRI.<strong>PFT</strong>"
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<a title="g.barbaro@mclink.net" href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo
Barbaro</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com" href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a> </div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hi Jean-Claude</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">many thanks -again- for your reply.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">As for repeatable fields, you are certainly
right: but the fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users
here used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same
field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous subfield delimiter (or a
sequence of previous subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was
on the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro CDS/ISIS
Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio - (1989).</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Anyway, I tried to change the data removing the %
mark in a limited number of records in the Title field, and the import seems
now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure that a sort of
global change deleting all the % marks in the database will <span id="result_box" lang="en" class="short_text" b="4" a="undefined" closure_uid_649390393="20"><span class="hps" closure_uid_649390393="5"><font size="3"><font size="2">definitively</font> </font></span></span>work, also if a
'group of subfields' are being repeated.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I'm still having problems with the REF
function. :-( </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable
field - I need to display all the records linked to the main one in a
hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in the
"second-level" description records). The "old" syntax
"(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried
to change the format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some
minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first record linked to
the main one, and not all the others. </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST
format used in TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to
explain what I am talking about.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks again for your valuable and kind
help</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Kind regards</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Giuzzo</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com" href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com">Jean-Claude
Dauphin</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="g.barbaro@mclink.net" href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo Barbaro</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="isis-users@iccisis.org" href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org">isis-users@iccisis.org</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">Hi Giuzzo,</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">> a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat
only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import
wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG
1 (Title) has </font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">> many</font><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">subfields delimiters:
abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description"
it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field
beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old
CDS-</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">> ISIS Export/Import option
worked well in both cases.)</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><br></span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">I am not sure but the use of %
symbol for repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol.
Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">"^aTitle^efirst
description^esecond description". This is probably an ISIS particular format
for repeatable fields. When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is
strange to get the % separator character followed by a subfield letter
. </span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">> b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive
as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats
imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the
subfield delimiters to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it
correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the
lower(!)</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive in the
PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in your data, i.e. if you
have ^aTitle in your data, it should be ^a. It's only a global change in
your PFTs.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">> c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft
formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the
contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to
translate it somehow in JISIS pft </font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">> formats?</font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font face="Arial">Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It
should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Hope this will help,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Jean-Claude Dauphin</font></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net" target="_blank">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Hi to all</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000
record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a database used in
many Italian libraries) and I get the following problems:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol
to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole
field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the %
symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields delimiters:
abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description"
it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field
beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old
CDS-ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case
sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the
same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change
all the subfield delimiters to one of the two formats (upper/lower). Is it
correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the
lower(!)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS
pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display
the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to
translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Thanks for your help</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Bye</font></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo
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