<div dir="ltr">Dear Ernesto,<div><br></div><div>I would suggest the following:</div><div><br></div><div><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:115%;font-family:'Courier New'">v12[3]^r</span><span style="font-family:'Courier New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%">[1]</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:'Courier New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to extract the first subfield ^r  from the third occ of the field v12</span><span style="font-family:'Courier New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">At first glance it should be possible to implement this syntax. But I have to check in depth if the J-ISIS PFT language grammar can accept such commands.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank you for raising this issue. Please provide suggestions on how to define PFT commands to manage repeatable subfields.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jean-Claude</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, spinaker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy" target="_blank">spinaker@adinet.com.uy</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <div>Dear JC<br>
      <br>
      With the suggested syntax, how do you distinguish between a
      repeatable field from the repeatable subfield?<br>
      <br>
      Example<br>
      <br>
      <b><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> v12[1] ^aPersonal
          Name1 ^dDates ^rRelator term 1.1 ^rRelator term 1.2<br>
           v12[2] ^aPersonal Name2 ^dDates ^rRelator term 2.1<br>
           v12[3] ^aPersonal Name3 ^dDates ^rRelator term 3.1 ^rRelator
          term 3.2</font></b><br>
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      now, you want to extract the first subfield ^r  from the third occ
      of the field v12<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      Ernesto Spiak<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      El 20/04/2014 17:32, Jcd escribió:<br>
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      <div>Dear Guizzo,</div>
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      <div>Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in
        ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS
        language with subfields occurrences such as:</div>
      <div>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</div>
      <div>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12</div>
      <div>Any other ideas ?</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>I will check yr problem with the REF function </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Best,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jean-Claude</div>
      <div><br>
        <br>
        Sent from my iPhone</div>
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        On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<a href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net" target="_blank">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div><font face="Arial">* ...ooops...: I meant "PRI.<strong>PFT</strong>"
              (!)</font></div>
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            <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="g.barbaro@mclink.net" href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net" target="_blank">Giuzzo Barbaro</a> </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com" href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com" target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a>
            </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="isis-users@iccisis.org" href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a>
            </div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April
              17, 2014 11:23 PM</div>
            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
              [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and
              PFTFormats</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Hi Jean-Claude</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">many thanks -again- for
                your reply.</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">As for repeatable fields,
                you are certainly right: but the fact is that, for
                some reason, we and many other users here used to insert
                the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same
                field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous
                subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous subfield
                delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on the
                basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro
                CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del
                Bigio - (1989).</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Anyway, I tried to change
                the data removing the % mark in a limited number of
                records in the Title field, and the import seems now to
                work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure
                that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in
                the database will <span lang="en"><span><font size="3"><font>definitively</font> </font></span></span>work,
                also if a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">I'm still having problems
                with the REF function.  :-(   </font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Tag V27 (indexed as
                "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to display all
                the records linked to the main one in a hierarchical
                relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent
                one in the "second-level" description records). The
                "old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well
                both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the
                format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also
                with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most
                only the first record linked to the main one, and not
                all the others. </font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">I attach to this mail the
                "original" PRI.FST format used in TECA database
                (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to explain
                what I am talking about.</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Thanks again for your
                valuable and kind help</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Kind regards</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo</font></div>
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              <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
              </div>
              <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com" href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com" target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a>
              </div>
              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="g.barbaro@mclink.net" href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net" target="_blank">Giuzzo Barbaro</a>
              </div>
              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="isis-users@iccisis.org" href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a>
              </div>
              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April
                17, 2014 6:54 PM</div>
              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and
                PFT Formats</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">Hi Giuzzo,</font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">> a) Repeatable subfields.
                    when you use the % symbol to repeat only some
                    subfields of a certain field (and not the whole
                    field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the
                    field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1
                    (Title) has </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">> many</font><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">subfields
                    delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
                    "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it
                    cuts the Title and the first description. If you
                    repeat the whole field beginning from the first
                    subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-</span></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">> ISIS Export/Import option worked well in
                    both cases.)</span></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">I am not sure but the use of % symbol for
                    repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709
                    symbol. Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">"^aTitle^efirst
                    description^esecond description". This is probably
                    an ISIS particular format for repeatable fields.
                    When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is
                    strange to get the % separator character followed by
                    a subfield letter . </span></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">> b) The ISIS pft formats
                    were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the
                    subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the
                    same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive
                    (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters
                    to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it
                    correct? - The problem is that someone used the
                    upper case, someone the lower(!)</font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">Well, it's true subfield
                    delimiters are case sensitive in the PFTs but it
                    should correspond to what you have in your data,
                    i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it should be
                    ^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.</font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">> c) How can I manage the
                    REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS?
                    TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display
                    the contents of the single parts of a many-volume
                    book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in
                    JISIS pft </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">> formats?</font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial">Have a look to page 57 and 62
                    of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It should be
                    something like REF(L(V27),<format>)</font></div>
                <div style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div><font face="Arial">Hope this will help,</font></div>
                <div><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
                <div><font face="Arial"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div><font face="Arial">Jean-Claude Dauphin</font></div>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43
                  PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net" target="_blank">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div><font face="Arial">Hi to all</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">I'm trying to import into
                          JISIS a 6.000 record ISIS-WinISIS database
                          called TECA (it is a database used in many
                          Italian libraries) and I get the following
                          problems:</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">a) Repeatable subfields.
                          when you use the % symbol to repeat only some
                          subfields of a certain field (and not the
                          whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the
                          part of the field before the % symbol . For
                          example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields
                          delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
                          "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond
                          description" it cuts the Title and the first
                          description. If you repeat the whole field
                          beginning from the first subfield the import
                          is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import option
                          worked well in both cases.)</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">b) The ISIS pft formats
                          were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the
                          subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems
                          that the same formats imported in JISIS are
                          case sensitive (?). So I need to change all
                          the subfield delimiters to one of the two
                          formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The
                          problem is that someone used the upper case,
                          someone the lower(!)</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">c) How can I manage the
                          REF function used in ISIS pft formats in
                          JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order
                          to display the contents of the single parts of
                          a many-volume book. Is it possible to
                          translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?</font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">Thanks for your help</font></div>
                      <div><font face="Arial">Bye</font></div>
                      <span><font color="#888888">
                          <div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo Barbaro</font></div>
                        </font></span></div>
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