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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear JC<br>
<br>
the syntax you propose would seem the most simple and understable,
is almost a natural extension of what we use<br>
<br>
regards<br>
Ernesto Spinak<br>
<br>
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El 22/04/2014 16:15, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Ernesto,
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<div>I would suggest the following:</div>
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<div><span
style="font-size:11pt;line-height:115%;font-family:'Courier
New'" lang="FR">v12[3]^r</span><span
style="font-family:'Courier
New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%">[1]</span><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Courier
New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to
extract the first subfield ^r from the third occ of the
field v12</span><span style="font-family:'Courier
New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">At
first glance it should be possible to implement this syntax.
But I have to check in depth if the J-ISIS PFT language
grammar can accept such commands.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank
you for raising this issue. Please provide suggestions on
how to define PFT commands to manage repeatable subfields.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jean-Claude</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM,
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<div>Dear JC<br>
<br>
With the suggested syntax, how do you distinguish
between a repeatable field from the repeatable subfield?<br>
<br>
Example<br>
<br>
<b><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> v12[1]
^aPersonal Name1 ^dDates ^rRelator term 1.1
^rRelator term 1.2<br>
v12[2] ^aPersonal Name2 ^dDates ^rRelator term 2.1<br>
v12[3] ^aPersonal Name3 ^dDates ^rRelator term 3.1
^rRelator term 3.2</font></b><br>
<br>
now, you want to extract the first subfield ^r from the
third occ of the field v12<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Ernesto Spiak<br>
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El 20/04/2014 17:32, Jcd escribió:<br>
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<div>Dear Guizzo,</div>
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<div>Could you please explain how you use repeatable
subfields in ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you
think that extending PFTS language with subfields
occurrences such as:</div>
<div>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</div>
<div>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field
12</div>
<div>Any other ideas ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will check yr problem with the REF function </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jean-Claude</div>
<div><br>
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On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<a
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<div><font face="Arial">* ...ooops...: I meant
"PRI.<strong>PFT</strong>" (!)</font></div>
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title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
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target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing
ISO Files - and PFTFormats</div>
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</div>
<div><font face="Arial">Hi Jean-Claude</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">many thanks -again-
for your reply.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">As for repeatable
fields, you are certainly right: but the
fact is that, for some reason, we and many
other users here used to insert the % mark
every time they needed to repeat the same
field, or the same subfield delimiter, or
a previous subfield delimiter (or a
sequence of previous subfield delimiters)
in a specific field. I think it was on the
basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old
"Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual
Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio -
(1989).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Anyway, I tried to
change the data removing the % mark in a
limited number of records in the Title
field, and the import seems now to work
correctly. I'll make some test again to be
sure that a sort of global change deleting
all the % marks in the database will <span
lang="en"><span><font size="3"><font>definitively</font>
</font></span></span>work, also if a
'group of subfields' are being repeated.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'm still having
problems with the REF function. :-( </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Tag V27 (indexed as
"Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to
display all the records linked to the main
one in a hierarchical relationship "one to
many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in
the "second-level" description records).
The "old" syntax
"(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well
both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to
change the format as you explained
REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some
minor changes, but I get no data or at
most only the first record linked to the
main one, and not all the others. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I attach to this mail
the "original" PRI.FST format used in TECA
database (imported in JISIS with minor
changes) just to explain what I am talking
about.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Thanks again for your
valuable and kind help</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kind regards</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo</font></div>
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target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a>
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title="g.barbaro@mclink.net"
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target="_blank">Giuzzo Barbaro</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems
Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats</div>
<div><br>
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<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">Hi Giuzzo,</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">> a) Repeatable
subfields. when you use the % symbol
to repeat only some subfields of a
certain field (and not the whole
field), the Import wizard cuts all the
part of the field before the % symbol
. For example: TAG 1 (Title) has </font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">> many</font><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">subfields delimiters:
abcdefghi. If a record is
"^aTitle^efirst description%esecond
description" it cuts the Title and the
first description. If you repeat the
whole field beginning from the first
subfield the import is OK. (The old
CDS-</span></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">> ISIS Export/Import option
worked well in both cases.)</span></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">I am not sure but the use of %
symbol for repeatable subfields is not
a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol.
Repeatable subfields are simply
repeated as </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">"^aTitle^efirst
description^esecond description". This
is probably an ISIS particular format
for repeatable fields. When you export
the data in ISO2709 format, it is
strange to get the % separator
character followed by a subfield
letter . </span></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">> b) The ISIS pft
formats were not upper/lower case
sensitive as to the subfield delimiter
(V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same
formats imported in JISIS are case
sensitive (?). So I need to change all
the subfield delimiters to one of the
> two formats (upper/lower). Is it
correct? - The problem is that someone
used the upper case, someone the
lower(!)</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">Well, it's true subfield
delimiters are case sensitive in the
PFTs but it should correspond to what
you have in your data, i.e. if you
have ^aTitle in your data, it should
be ^a. It's only a global change in
your PFTs.</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">> c) How can I manage
the REF function used in ISIS pft
formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a
REF(LV27) call, in order to display
the contents of the single parts of a
many-volume book. Is it possible to
translate it somehow in JISIS pft </font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">> formats?</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial">Have a look to page 57
and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual.
It should be something like
REF(L(V27),<format>)</font></div>
<div
style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Hope this will
help,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Jean-Claude
Dauphin</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17,
2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <span
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<div><font face="Arial">Hi to all</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'm trying
to import into JISIS a 6.000
record ISIS-WinISIS database
called TECA (it is a database
used in many Italian libraries)
and I get the following
problems:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">a)
Repeatable subfields. when you
use the % symbol to repeat only
some subfields of a certain
field (and not the whole field),
the Import wizard cuts all the
part of the field before the %
symbol . For example: TAG 1
(Title) has many subfields
delimiters: abcdefghi. If a
record is "^aTitle^efirst
description%esecond description"
it cuts the Title and the first
description. If you repeat the
whole field beginning from the
first subfield the import is OK.
(The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import
option worked well in both
cases.)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">b) The ISIS
pft formats were not upper/lower
case sensitive as to the
subfield delimiter (V1^a or
V1^A). It seems that the same
formats imported in JISIS are
case sensitive (?). So I need to
change all the subfield
delimiters to one of the two
formats (upper/lower). Is it
correct? - The problem is that
someone used the upper case,
someone the lower(!)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">c) How can I
manage the REF function used in
ISIS pft formats in JISIS?
TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call,
in order to display the contents
of the single parts of a
many-volume book. Is it possible
to translate it somehow in JISIS
pft formats?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Thanks for
your help</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Bye</font></div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo
Barbaro</font></div>
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