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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear JC<br>
      <br>
      the syntax you propose would seem the most simple and understable,
      is almost a natural extension of what we use<br>
      <br>
      regards<br>
      Ernesto Spinak<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      El 22/04/2014 16:15, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:<br>
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cite="mid:CALkRQxfOwue=+4Uu6cDRe56b1hiscgutq4K1dvthafQeprvF_A@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Dear Ernesto,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I would suggest the following:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><span
            style="font-size:11pt;line-height:115%;font-family:'Courier
            New'" lang="FR">v12[3]^r</span><span
            style="font-family:'Courier
            New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%">[1]</span><br>
        </div>
        <div><span style="font-family:'Courier
            New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to
            extract the first subfield ^r  from the third occ of the
            field v12</span><span style="font-family:'Courier
            New';font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">At
            first glance it should be possible to implement this syntax.
            But I have to check in depth if the J-ISIS PFT language
            grammar can accept such commands.</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank
            you for raising this issue. Please provide suggestions on
            how to define PFT commands to manage repeatable subfields.</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jean-Claude</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
          </span></div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM,
          spinaker <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy" target="_blank">spinaker@adinet.com.uy</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Dear JC<br>
                <br>
                With the suggested syntax, how do you distinguish
                between a repeatable field from the repeatable subfield?<br>
                <br>
                Example<br>
                <br>
                <b><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> v12[1]
                    ^aPersonal Name1 ^dDates ^rRelator term 1.1
                    ^rRelator term 1.2<br>
                     v12[2] ^aPersonal Name2 ^dDates ^rRelator term 2.1<br>
                     v12[3] ^aPersonal Name3 ^dDates ^rRelator term 3.1
                    ^rRelator term 3.2</font></b><br>
                <br>
                now, you want to extract the first subfield ^r  from the
                third occ of the field v12<br>
                <br>
                Regards<br>
                Ernesto Spiak<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                El 20/04/2014 17:32, Jcd escribió:<br>
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                    <div>Dear Guizzo,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Could you please explain how you use repeatable
                      subfields in ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you
                      think that extending PFTS language with subfields
                      occurrences such as:</div>
                    <div>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</div>
                    <div>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field
                      12</div>
                    <div>Any other ideas ?</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I will check yr problem with the REF function </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Best,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Jean-Claude</div>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my iPhone</div>
                    <div><br>
                      On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                        target="_blank">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <br>
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                      <div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">* ...ooops...: I meant
                            "PRI.<strong>PFT</strong>" (!)</font></div>
                        <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px
solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original
                            Message ----- </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt
                            arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                              href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                              target="_blank">Giuzzo Barbaro</a> </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
                              href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a> </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="isis-users@iccisis.org"
                              href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
                              target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a>
                          </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                            Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23 PM</div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                            Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing
                            ISO Files - and PFTFormats</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Hi Jean-Claude</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">many thanks -again-
                              for your reply.</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">As for repeatable
                              fields, you are certainly right: but the
                              fact is that, for some reason, we and many
                              other users here used to insert the % mark
                              every time they needed to repeat the same
                              field, or the same subfield delimiter, or
                              a previous subfield delimiter (or a
                              sequence of previous subfield delimiters)
                              in a specific field. I think it was on the
                              basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old
                              "Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual
                              Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio -
                              (1989).</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Anyway, I tried to
                              change the data removing the % mark in a
                              limited number of records in the Title
                              field, and the import seems now to work
                              correctly. I'll make some test again to be
                              sure that a sort of global change deleting
                              all the % marks in the database will <span
                                lang="en"><span><font size="3"><font>definitively</font>
                                  </font></span></span>work, also if a
                              'group of subfields' are being repeated.</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">I'm still having
                              problems with the REF function.  :-(   </font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Tag V27 (indexed as
                              "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to
                              display all the records linked to the main
                              one in a hierarchical relationship "one to
                              many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in
                              the "second-level" description records).
                              The "old" syntax
                              "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well
                              both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to
                              change the format as you explained
                              REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some
                              minor changes, but I get no data or at
                              most only the first record linked to the
                              main one, and not all the others. </font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">I attach to this mail
                              the "original" PRI.FST format used in TECA
                              database (imported in JISIS with minor
                              changes) just to explain what I am talking
                              about.</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Thanks again for your
                              valuable and kind help</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Kind regards</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo</font></div>
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                            dir="ltr">
                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original
                              Message ----- </div>
                            <div style="FONT:10pt
                              arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
                                href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">Jean-Claude Dauphin</a>
                            </div>
                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                                href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                                target="_blank">Giuzzo Barbaro</a> </div>
                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="isis-users@iccisis.org"
                                href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
                                target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a>
                            </div>
                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                              Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM</div>
                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                              Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems
                              Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">Hi Giuzzo,</font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">> a) Repeatable
                                  subfields. when you use the % symbol
                                  to repeat only some subfields of a
                                  certain field (and not the whole
                                  field), the Import wizard cuts all the
                                  part of the field before the % symbol
                                  . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">> many</font><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">subfields delimiters:
                                  abcdefghi. If a record is
                                  "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond
                                  description" it cuts the Title and the
                                  first description. If you repeat the
                                  whole field beginning from the first
                                  subfield the import is OK. (The old
                                  CDS-</span></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">> ISIS Export/Import option
                                  worked well in both cases.)</span></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">I am not sure but the use of %
                                  symbol for repeatable subfields is not
                                  a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol.
                                  Repeatable subfields are simply
                                  repeated as </span><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small"> </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:small">"^aTitle^efirst
                                  description^esecond description". This
                                  is probably an ISIS particular format
                                  for repeatable fields. When you export
                                  the data in ISO2709 format, it is
                                  strange to get the % separator
                                  character followed by a subfield
                                  letter . </span></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">> b) The ISIS pft
                                  formats were not upper/lower case
                                  sensitive as to the subfield delimiter
                                  (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same
                                  formats imported in JISIS are case
                                  sensitive (?). So I need to change all
                                  the subfield delimiters to one of the
                                  > two formats (upper/lower). Is it
                                  correct? - The problem is that someone
                                  used the upper case, someone the
                                  lower(!)</font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">Well, it's true subfield
                                  delimiters are case sensitive in the
                                  PFTs but it should correspond to what
                                  you have in your data, i.e. if you
                                  have ^aTitle in your data, it should
                                  be ^a. It's only a global change in
                                  your PFTs.</font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">> c) How can I manage
                                  the REF function used in ISIS pft
                                  formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a
                                  REF(LV27) call, in order to display
                                  the contents of the single parts of a
                                  many-volume book. Is it possible to
                                  translate it somehow in JISIS pft </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">> formats?</font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial">Have a look to page 57
                                  and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual.
                                  It should be something like
                                  REF(L(V27),<format>)</font></div>
                              <div
                                style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><font
                                  face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">Hope this will
                                  help,</font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial"><br>
                                </font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">Jean-Claude
                                  Dauphin</font></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                              <br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17,
                                2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
                                    target="_blank">g.barbaro@mclink.net</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                  0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex"
                                  class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div bgcolor="#ffffff">
                                    <div><font face="Arial">Hi to all</font></div>
                                    <div><font face="Arial">I'm trying
                                        to import into JISIS a 6.000
                                        record ISIS-WinISIS database
                                        called TECA (it is a database
                                        used in many Italian libraries)
                                        and I get the following
                                        problems:</font></div>
                                    <div><font face="Arial">a)
                                        Repeatable subfields. when you
                                        use the % symbol to repeat only
                                        some subfields of a certain
                                        field (and not the whole field),
                                        the Import wizard cuts all the
                                        part of the field before the %
                                        symbol . For example: TAG 1
                                        (Title) has many subfields
                                        delimiters: abcdefghi. If a
                                        record is "^aTitle^efirst
                                        description%esecond description"
                                        it cuts the Title and the first
                                        description. If you repeat the
                                        whole field beginning from the
                                        first subfield the import is OK.
                                        (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import
                                        option worked well in both
                                        cases.)</font></div>
                                    <div><font face="Arial">b) The ISIS
                                        pft formats were not upper/lower
                                        case sensitive as to the
                                        subfield delimiter (V1^a or
                                        V1^A). It seems that the same
                                        formats imported in JISIS are
                                        case sensitive (?). So I need to
                                        change all the subfield
                                        delimiters to one of the two
                                        formats (upper/lower). Is it
                                        correct? - The problem is that
                                        someone used the upper case,
                                        someone the lower(!)</font></div>
                                    <div><font face="Arial">c) How can I
                                        manage the REF function used in
                                        ISIS pft formats in JISIS?
                                        TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call,
                                        in order to display the contents
                                        of the single parts of a
                                        many-volume book. Is it possible
                                        to translate it somehow in JISIS
                                        pft formats?</font></div>
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                                    <div><font face="Arial">Thanks for
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                                    <div><font face="Arial">Bye</font></div>
                                    <span><font color="#888888">
                                        <div><font face="Arial">Giuzzo
                                            Barbaro</font></div>
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        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        Jean-Claude Dauphin<br>
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          href="http://kenai.com/projects/j-isis/">http://kenai.com/projects/j-isis/</a><br>
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        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.unesco.org/idams/">http://www.unesco.org/idams/</a><br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.greenstone.org">http://www.greenstone.org</a>
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  ( )                                ( )
  ===                                ===
 =[=]================================[=]=
  | |  Ernesto Spinak                | |
  | |  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy">spinaker@adinet.com.uy</a>        | |
  | |  Montevideo, Uruguay           | |
  | |  tel/fax  (598) 2622-3352      | |
  | |  celular  (598) 99612238      | |
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