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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear Jean-Claude, Dear Egbert, Dear Maria
Mercedes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>first of all I would like to thank you and all the
Isis-users group for your kindness and valuable help. This is indeed a very
special community and it is really wonderful to have so many friends all around
the world!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>(Maria Mercedes I cannot send mail to your email
address - I get a NDR message: can you please check your
email-address?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The CDS-ISIS/WinIsis database "TECA" is the main
one in use in many italian libraries (and it is created and supported by DBA,
the italian official ISIS distributor). The FDT is a bit complex: the first 8
fields (+subfields) match with the 8 international ISBD (M) areas. The other
fields are added to complete the bibliographic description - and for other
reasons. Many fields are repeatable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The formatting language used to manage repeatable
fields is the standard 'CDS-ISIS' one, based -if needed- on the use of
the repeatable literals, enclosed in vertical bars (|), eventually preceded or
followed by a '+' sign ( +|xxx|) or (|xxx|+).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In the standard pft formats we never use to select
a single occurrence of a subfield of a given field (e.g. V12^a[1]), because
usually all the occurrences are displayed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In a multi-volume book we use a "one-to-many"
description, based on field 27 (in the first level description it is the link to
all second level descriptions - a repeatable field) and on field 28 (in the
second level descriptions, linking back to the main one). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In PFT formats the REF (L...) function is used to
display:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- "all" the second level (=parts) descriptions
Part.1 AND Part.2 And...(when displaying the main record, or searching a term
contained in the main description), </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>or:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- the main record description and "only" the
single selected second level description Part.1 OR Part.2 OR ....(when
displaying the result of a query of a term contained only in a single
second level description of the main one). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Actually the main problems importing into JISIS
are:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>1. when a single subfield of a field is
repeated (using the '%' mark), the JISIS import wizard cuts the first part of
the field (e.g V1 contains: ^axxx^byyy^czzz%^bwww^cttt ; in that case all
^axxx^byyy^czzz is missing - in the database(!), not only in the display
format). On the other hand, it seems that if you repeat a whole field from the
beginning, the import is OK (e.g. V12 is: ^axxx^byyy%^awww^bzzz - all the
subfields are imported correctly). (The import into the old CDS-ISIS or
WinIsis worked well in both cases)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>2. in the pft format the REF function is not
working well; I tried also REF(L('Z=',V27)) - sometimes it displays only the
first occurrence in V27</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I attach the field def. table TECA.FDT and the fst
TECA.FST and </FONT>I attach also the standard TECA.pft , the most complete (and
complex!) display format in "TECA" database.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tomorrow I'll try to select and send you the *.iso
export of some records showing these problems during the import
process.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Many thanks !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>giuzzo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=jc.dauphin@gmail.com href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com">Jcd</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=g.barbaro@mclink.net
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo Barbaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=isis-users@iccisis.org
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org>"><isis-users@iccisis.org></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats</DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Guizzo,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in
ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS language with
subfields occurrences such as:</DIV>
<DIV>(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences</DIV>
<DIV>V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12</DIV>
<DIV>Any other ideas ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I will check yr problem with the REF function </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Jean-Claude</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <<A
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* ...ooops...: I meant
"PRI.<STRONG>PFT</STRONG>" (!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=g.barbaro@mclink.net href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo
Barbaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jc.dauphin@gmail.com
href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com">Jean-Claude Dauphin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=isis-users@iccisis.org
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org">isis-users@iccisis.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Jean-Claude</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>many thanks -again- for your
reply.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As for repeatable fields, you are certainly
right: but the fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users
here used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same
field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous subfield delimiter
(or a sequence of previous subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I
think it was on the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old
"Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio
- (1989).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Anyway, I tried to change the data removing
the % mark in a limited number of records in the Title field, and the
import seems now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure
that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in the database will
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size=3><FONT size=2>definitively</FONT> </FONT></SPAN></SPAN>work, also if
a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm still having problems with the REF
function. :-( </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable
field - I need to display all the records linked to the main one in a
hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in
the "second-level" description records). The "old" syntax
"(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I
tried to change the format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also
with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first
record linked to the main one, and not all the others. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST
format used in TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just
to explain what I am talking about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks again for your valuable and kind
help</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Giuzzo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jc.dauphin@gmail.com
href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com">Jean-Claude Dauphin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=g.barbaro@mclink.net
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo Barbaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=isis-users@iccisis.org
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org">isis-users@iccisis.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>Hi Giuzzo,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>> a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to
repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field),
the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol .
For example: TAG 1 (Title) has </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>> many</FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">subfields delimiters:
abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond
description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat
the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import
is OK. (The old CDS-</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">> ISIS Export/Import
option worked well in both cases.)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">I am not sure but the use
of % symbol for repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol.
Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: small">"^aTitle^efirst
description^esecond description". This is probably an ISIS particular
format for repeatable fields. When you export the data in ISO2709
format, it is strange to get the % separator character followed by a
subfield letter . </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>> b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case
sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the
same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to
change all the subfield delimiters to one of the > two formats
(upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the
upper case, someone the lower(!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive in the
PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in your data, i.e. if you
have ^aTitle in your data, it should be ^a. It's only a global change in
your PFTs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>> c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft
formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the
contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to
translate it somehow in JISIS pft </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>> formats?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT
face=Arial>Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual.
It should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)</FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hope this will help,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jean-Claude Dauphin</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi to all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000
record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a database used
in many Italian libraries) and I get the following
problems:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the %
symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the
whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before
the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields
delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst
description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first
description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first
subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import
option worked well in both cases.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower
case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems
that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I
need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the two formats
(upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the
upper case, someone the lower(!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>c) How can I manage the REF function used in
ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to
display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it
possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks for your help</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bye</FONT></DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Giuzzo
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