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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>No, you are right: my first idea was not correct.
Then I tried to make a global change deleting the subfield repeater "~" and
adding a space to keep the same char lenght (change "~^e" with " ^e"), hoping to
solve my problem. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The ISO file was usable and the import worked. But
unfortunately the problem was still there (the first part of the field was
missing). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So I can assume that the problem is not the
subfield repetition mark, but the subfield repetition itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think that the only way to solve my problem
working on "global changes" on the ISO file is to delete the whole subflied
repetition delimiter and change it with the correct ISBD punctuation mark (e.g.
changing "~^e" with " : " in the title area) as I wrote in a previous mail. But
I need to examine well the situation, as the punctuation is not the same in all
fields, and maybe also that in some case I cannot avoid (=delete) the repetition
(?). So I keep this as a "last attempt".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Before doing this I'll try to follow the hint given
by Ernesto about gizmo files; but I need to study (!), as it is for me a totally
unexplored field...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>giuzzo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=wenkeadam@gmail.com href="mailto:wenkeadam@gmail.com">Wenke Adam</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=g.barbaro@mclink.net
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net">Giuzzo Barbaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=spinaker@adinet.com.uy
href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy">spinaker</A> ; <A
title=isis-users@iccisis.org href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org">Isis
Comunidad</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Question:
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Can you really make global substitutions in an ISO file using more/less
chars than the original string?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I understood that the ISO file was generated on the exact character count
of each field/record, and if you need to do substitutions that are not 1:1 you
need to export to text file (with i2id/id2i or other), do the changes and
convert back to database...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>wenke</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2014-04-29 1:54 GMT-04:00 Giuzzo Barbaro <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>></SPAN>:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think the problem begins in the old Export
process, during which a "field" delimiter mark (~ for example) is
given also any time there is a "subfield" repetition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A possible "empirical" solution perhaps could be
simply deleting the field delimiter mark (~), if any, just before a subfield
delimiter (e.g. changing "~^e" with "^e" in the whole ISO file), assuming
that no other field ever "begins" with the same subfiled delimiter (e.g. ^e)
in the whole db (?). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But I need to test how the parsing (and translating)
process will work in that case, and I have many doubts. I'll check in the
sample ISO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Have a good day</FONT></DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>giuzzo</FONT></DIV></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=g.barbaro@mclink.net href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>Giuzzo Barbaro</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spinaker@adinet.com.uy
href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy" target=_blank>spinaker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=isis-users@iccisis.org
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dear friends,</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In facts to solve the problem of the 'missing titles' in a practical
way, I was thinking about making a sort of "global change" in the ISO
file, changing "~^e" with " : " , which is the correct ISBD(M) syntax for
this subfield in the title area (indeed there is no real need to use a
repeatable subfield in this particular case) - or similars. But the
problem is that this change may affect all the ^e subfields also in the
other fields in the whole database, if any. And the syntax is not always
the same. How can I make a global change only in field 1 in the whole ISO
file (or similar actions)?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Good night to you all</DIV>
<DIV>Giuzzo</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>Il
giorno 28/apr/2014, alle ore 22:59, spinaker <<A
href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy"
target=_blank>spinaker@adinet.com.uy</A>> ha scritto:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Giuzzo<BR><BR>You are right, repeatable char is only used in
the data entry worksheet, because the repetition feature is managed by
the directory section of the Record,<BR>Anyway, you always can edit an
ISO record as a text file,<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Ernesto<BR><BR>El
28/04/2014 17:54, Giuzzo Barbaro escribió:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Ernesto and Jean-Claude</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thank you for the hint, but the problem is that
the ISO file apparently has no % character: In the export form -from
DOS version- I selected the # character as record delimiter and ~
(Alt+126) character as field delimiter. (The % character is only used
in data entry worksheets, but it does not appear in the export ISO
files, or at least I cannot see it - I sent some sample ISO file in a
previous mail, so you can check).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>:-(</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>giuzzo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=spinaker@adinet.com.uy href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy"
target=_blank>spinaker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=isis-users@iccisis.org href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 28, 2014
10:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Isis-users] JISIS
- Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Giuzzo<BR><BR>Yes, this trick works, because I do this
kind of customization of ISO files very
often<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Ernesto Spinak<BR><BR><BR>El 28/04/2014
17:25, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Giuzzo,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I think that you can edit the ISO file with a text editor and
replace the % character by another one such as the &
character. I am not sure but it may work.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV>Jean-Claude</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Giuzzo
Barbaro <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Dear Egbert and Jean-Claude<BR><BR>many thanks
for your valuable hints. It seems now to be working ...!
:-)<BR><BR>Egbert, you' re perfectly right: the indexing
technique 0 (instead of 5) in field 26 in the FST is a real
mistake.<BR>I didn't even notice that in the JISIS dictionary
there was no entry "Z=xxx" (in the sample I sent).<BR>The very
strange fact is that the (wrong) syntax (26, 0, mpu,"Z="V26) in
the FST worked perfectly for more than 20 years in hundreds and
hundreds of libraries using TECAdb in the CDS/ISIS-WinISIS
versions (!?) (in facts you can easily check that in the
sample ISIS "DOS" version I attached to the mail, you can find
all the "Z=" terms in the Inverted file, despite the wrong
syntax!).<BR><BR>Anyway, I changed the FST as you suggested and
tried your test-PFT and it works!<BR>Now I'll try to change all
the PFT's in a correct way (and may be I will need your help
again, because now I'm getting some parsing error... :-(
)<BR><BR>Thanks again<BR><BR>(I'm still having problems
with the repeatable subfields, as I told you...I understand that
this is probably due somehow to a certain "misuse" of the
repetitions)<BR><BR>Kind regards<BR>bye
<DIV><BR>giuzzo<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From:
"De Smet Egbert" <<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be"
target=_blank>egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be</A>><BR>To: "Giuzzo
Barbaro" <<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>><BR></DIV>Cc:
"Jean-Claude Dauphin" <<A href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>jc.dauphin@gmail.com</A>><BR>Sent: Sunday,
April 27, 2014 8:37 PM
<DIV>
<DIV><BR>Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing
ISO Files -andPFTFormats<BR><BR><BR>Hello again,<BR><BR>no need
to apologize, I only wanted to make clear why there was no
immediate reply.<BR>Now, I checked your PFT and I think the
problem is with the syntax.<BR><BR>First of all I changed the
line creating the 'Z=' entries, by making it technique 5
(instead of 0) :<BR>26 5 '/Z=/',mpu,(V26/)<BR>as before that I
didn't see any Z= entries in your dictionary.<BR><BR>Then I
created the following PFT for testing the REF-function (e.g.
called 'testref') :<BR>(if p(v27)
then<BR>REF(L('Z='v27),<BR>'V1='v1' ',<BR>'V26='v26'
',<BR>'V29='v29/'<BR>')<BR>else 'no
references' fi)<BR><BR>and the output for MFN 2 is, in my
opinion correct :<BR>V1=^aInferno V26=005555
V29=1<BR>V1=^aPurgatorio V26=005556 V29=2<BR>V1=^aParadiso
V26=005557 V29=3<BR><BR>Based on this output from the basic
model PFT for the REF-function, I think you should be able to
correct your PFT with correct output.<BR>If you don't manage,
let us know.<BR>Egbert de Smet<BR>Universiteit
Antwerpen<BR>________________________________________<BR>From:
Giuzzo Barbaro [<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>]<BR>Sent: Sunday, April
27, 2014 3:49 PM<BR>To: De Smet Egbert<BR>Cc: Jean-Claude
Dauphin<BR>Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing
ISO Files -andPFTFormats<BR><BR>Dear Egbert, Dear
Jean-Claude<BR><BR>Thank you for your kind interest.<BR>I am
perfectly aware that you -and many people in the ISIS community-
are<BR>working mostly on a "voluntary basis" for the ISIS
project, and all of us<BR>are<BR>very grateful to you for all
the efforts (and the great work) you have done<BR>and still are
doing for us.<BR>Therefore I apologize if I gave to you the
impression to ask (or worse<BR>"claim"...!) for a quick
solution: it was absolutely far from my intentions.<BR>I just
wanted to share a problem with people having a much deeper
knowledge<BR>than mine, thinking that maybe other people
encountered -and solved- the<BR>same problems,<BR>and I sent the
files attached to my previous mail because I was asked to
do<BR>so by someone. In the last days I shared with friends
living near me the<BR>great surprise and the honour of getting
an (unespected) answer from you to<BR>my emails.<BR><BR>(I can
simply add that working on a "voluntary basis" applies somehow
also<BR>to me-at a much lower level, as I was asked to solve
this problem -on a free<BR>basis, of course, as usual...- by
others who updated their machines to<BR>64-bit ones, and this is
not "my" database - I am only a school Math<BR>teacher, with a
little ISIS knowledge due to many years of
usage.)<BR><BR>Therefore it is not my intention to abuse your
kindness and your time, not<BR>to put anyone in a hurry to solve
my problems, please trust me. English is<BR>not my native
language, and maybe some of my expressions are not a
correct<BR>translation of my real thoughts and
feelings.<BR><BR>Kind regards<BR>giuzzo<BR><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "De Smet Egbert" <<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be"
target=_blank>egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be</A>><BR>To: "Giuzzo
Barbaro" <<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>>; "Jcd" <<A
href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>jc.dauphin@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sunday,
April 27, 2014 1:01 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO<BR>Files
-andPFTFormats<BR><BR><BR>Hello,<BR><BR>in order to fully check
your problem (which is in fact the 'repeatable<BR>subfield'
problem, something which originally was NOT envisaged
by<BR>ISIS-technology) a careful setup is required and this
simply takes some more<BR>time to be set aside for finding out.
None of us is full-time freed from<BR>other professional
responsibilities to deal with such issues, it is all<BR>about
voluntary time and efforts, hoping to sustain the
ISIS-technology.<BR>When we discussed the REF-function for
J-ISIS the idea was to fully copy its<BR>functionality from
WinISIS (in fact such 'run-time'-on-demand<BR>semi-relational
capability is something other database technology is
envying<BR>ISIS for), so that for sure should be tested
carefully and if found wrong<BR>corrected. Maybe your data
provide us with interesting testing data, that<BR>can be useful
indeed.<BR>So, some patience please.<BR><BR>Egbert de
Smet<BR>Universiteit
Antwerpen<BR>________________________________________<BR>From:
isis-users [isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=<A
href="mailto:ua.ac.be@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>ua.ac.be@iccisis.org</A>] on<BR>behalf of Giuzzo
Barbaro [<A href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>]<BR>Sent: Sunday, April
27, 2014 11:54 AM<BR>To: Jcd<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files
-<BR>andPFTFormats<BR><BR>Dear Jean-Claude<BR>yesterday I sent
this mail to you, with some attachments, but I got an
NDR<BR>message from your server (message too big (?) - it was
not so big, about<BR>160kB...). So I decided to cut the old
conversations and try to send it<BR>again to
you.<BR>Thanks<BR>Kind regards<BR>giuzzo<BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: Giuzzo Barbaro<mailto:<A
href="mailto:g.barbaro@mclink.net"
target=_blank>g.barbaro@mclink.net</A>><BR>To: María Mercedes
MacLean<mailto:<A href="mailto:gaspyy@infovia.com.ar"
target=_blank>gaspyy@infovia.com.ar</A>>
;<BR>Jcd<mailto:<A href="mailto:jc.dauphin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>jc.dauphin@gmail.com</A>> ; De
Smet<BR>Egbert<mailto:<A
href="mailto:egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be"
target=_blank>egbert.desmet@uantwerpen.be</A>><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org"
target=_blank>isis-users@iccisis.org</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday,
April 26, 2014 1:46 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS -
Problems Importing ISO Files -<BR>andPFTFormats<BR><BR>Dear
Jean-Claude, Maria Mercedes, Egbert and all
friends,<BR><BR>attached to this mail you'll find some files (in
.zip format) - 2 export<BR>.ISO files and the TECA db structure,
and an explanation (Word) of the work<BR>I have done, to
explain in a simple (?) way the problems I have
encountered.<BR>Thaks again for your help.<BR>Have a nice
weekend<BR>Kind
regards<BR>Giuzzo<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>isis-users
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