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<p>Guilda,</p>
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<p>Yes, this is a good idea, but:</p>
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<p>- maybe best in uppercase</p>
<p>- and without the data (because the whole thing is meant to connect all versions, which all have a different date of publication)</p>
<p>- not only the spaces, but also punctuations like , ; : / , things that are in those data, but you can rely on because people might also key in without them</p>
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<p>Piet<br>
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<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 5 april 2016 18:46<br>
<b>Aan:</b> spinaker<br>
<b>CC:</b> Piet De Keyser; Ernesto Spinak; isis-users@iccisis.org<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I can build an option in end format for cleanning the fields. Is this the output: <em style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">AscencioGuildaElartedeprogramarintroduccionejemplos&practicas2009 ?
</em> No spaces between words? <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:45 AM, spinaker <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy" target="_blank">spinaker@adinet.com.uy</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Piet<br>
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the replace command could be a solution but very cumbersome<br>
let's say as an example<br>
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s1:=s(v100,v245^a,v300^c)<br>
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s1:= replace( replace( replace(s1,' ',''), ';',''),':','') ... etc for all the non alphanumeric chars)<br>
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I don't know if PFT would accept a recursive function with more than almost 100 recursions<br>
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Regards<br>
Ernesto<br>
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El 05/04/2016 a las 11:03, Piet De Keyser escribió:<br>
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<p>Ernesto,</p>
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<p>Yes, this would be the case (maybe best in uppercase). But I don't think you need a new function for this because you could use a set of replace commands in the format?</p>
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<p>Piet<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Van:</b> Ernesto Spinak
<a href="mailto:spinaker@vera.com.uy" target="_blank"><spinaker@vera.com.uy></a><br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 5 april 2016 13:48<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Guilda Ascencio<br>
<b>CC:</b> Piet De Keyser; <a href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank">
isis-users@iccisis.org</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Isis-users] ABCD and automatic field update</font>
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<div>Guilda<br>
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<div>The idea of cleaning is something like the following example<br>
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<div>let's get a string made up of a combination of fields: s(v100,v245^a,v300^c)<br>
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<div> <<<em>Ascencio, Guilda, El arte de programar: introducción; ejemplos & prácticas.[2009]>></em><br>
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<div>then the clean function will return <<<em>AscencioGuildaElartedeprogramarintroduccionejemplos&practicas2009>></em><br>
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<div>this string will be indexed with FRBR objective<br>
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<div>Piet, is it correct?<br>
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<div>Regards<br>
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<div>Ernesto<br>
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De: Guilda Ascencio <a href="mailto:guildaa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><guildaa@gmail.com></a><br>
Para: spinaker <a href="mailto:spinaker@adinet.com.uy" target="_blank"><spinaker@adinet.com.uy></a><br>
CC: Piet De Keyser <a href="mailto:piet.dekeyser@ucll.be" target="_blank"><piet.dekeyser@ucll.be></a>,
<a href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a><br>
Enviado: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:58:29 -0300 (UYT)<br>
Asunto: Re: [Isis-users] ABCD and automatic field update<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Piet: The end format is intended to work also with specific worksheet, so have to fix that.
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<div>Ernesto: What is needed for the clean function? A list of tags? All non alphabetic characters are to be removed?
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<div>Great, it works!!!<br>
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so, what we need now is a function to clean a string of all<br>
non-alphanumeric elements, i.e. spaces, typographic characteres,<br>
etc.<br>
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in this way you can create keys for FRBR independently of the<br>
punctuation used in cataloging (isbd or other)<br>
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ernesto spinak<br>
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El 03/04/2016 a las 16:14, Piet De Keyser escribió:<br>
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<p>Yes, Guida, this works! That is the one we need! You keep<br>
surprising us the good way. My mistake was I tried to construct<br>
it as an end validation for a certain worksheet, and not for<br>
general.</p>
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<p>Piet<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>Van:</b><br>
Guilda Ascencio <a href="mailto:guildaa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><guildaa@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 april 2016 18:03<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Piet De Keyser<br>
<b>CC:</b> spinaker; <a href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:isis-users@iccisis.org" target="_blank">isis-users@iccisis.org</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Update database definitions -> Record<br>
validation -> End format -> General<br>
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<div>From the fields menu, select one field and build a<br>
format. The string produced by the format will be stored<br>
in the field selected (if the field is empty)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM,<br>
Piet De Keyser <span dir="ltr"><br>
<<a href="mailto:piet.dekeyser@ucll.be" target="_blank">piet.dekeyser@ucll.be</a>></span><br>
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<p>Dear Ernesto,</p>
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<p>Thank you for your fast answer. Yes, a proc ind the<br>
end format should be possible too. But if that is<br>
the case, we need no special mechanism to replace<br>
the spaces, since a replace command could do this<br>
(plus: punctuation should also be stripped from our<br>
"key").</p>
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<p>You know, this is what we had in Weblis 10 years<br>
ago: you could add many things (including content<br>
from other databases) while saving. I know ABCD is<br>
much more advanced compared with Weblis, but they<br>
had some nice thing too, e.g. this one plus a very<br>
good layout for thesauri. Maybe you and Guilda could<br>
get the code from them for that too (in fact it is<br>
open source software, although the source can only<br>
be optained from Unesco).</p>
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<p>Piet<br>
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isis-users <isis-users-bounces+piet.dekeyser=<a href="mailto:ucll.be@iccisis.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:ucll.be@iccisis.org" target="_blank">ucll.be@iccisis.org</a>><br>
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<b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 2 april 2016 17:15<br>
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<div>Dear Piet<br>
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As far as I know (Guilda should confirm) this is<br>
a pending issue for a long time,<br>
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this kind of feature should be implemented in<br>
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Record Validation<br>
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* End format<br>
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where the format should include a PROC( )<br>
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I think the reason this feature is pending is<br>
because nobody has requested it before<br>
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If you want this kind of function (I imagine you<br>
need it for FRBR indexation), we also need a<br>
function to clean the string from<br>
non-alphanumeric chars in order to generate<br>
clean and compact unique keys<br>
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<p>Dear friends,</p>
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<p>Who knows a way to automatically add content<br>
to a field in ABCD while saving a record. I<br>
know it is possible to add the name and the<br>
operator plus the data, to add increment the<br>
control number and a few other things, but I<br>
would need in e.g. a local field the processed<br>
content of some other fields, e.g.</p>
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<p>-> these fields are keyed in:</p>
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<p>v100^aSmith, John<br>
</p>
<p>v245^aBeautiful Africa<br>
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-> this field would be automatically<br>
added:<br>
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<br>
v991^aBEATIFULAFRICASMITHJOHN<br>
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Piet de Keyser<br>
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(Belgium, although: who still dares to say<br>
he lives in Belgium?....)<br>
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