[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats
Giuzzo Barbaro
g.barbaro at mclink.net
Tue Apr 29 00:06:27 CEST 2014
Dear friends,
In facts to solve the problem of the 'missing titles' in a practical way, I was thinking about making a sort of "global change" in the ISO file, changing "~^e" with " : " , which is the correct ISBD(M) syntax for this subfield in the title area (indeed there is no real need to use a repeatable subfield in this particular case) - or similars. But the problem is that this change may affect all the ^e subfields also in the other fields in the whole database, if any. And the syntax is not always the same. How can I make a global change only in field 1 in the whole ISO file (or similar actions)?
Good night to you all
Giuzzo
> Il giorno 28/apr/2014, alle ore 22:59, spinaker <spinaker at adinet.com.uy> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Giuzzo
>
> You are right, repeatable char is only used in the data entry worksheet, because the repetition feature is managed by the directory section of the Record,
> Anyway, you always can edit an ISO record as a text file,
>
> Regards
> Ernesto
>
> El 28/04/2014 17:54, Giuzzo Barbaro escribió:
>> Dear Ernesto and Jean-Claude
>>
>> Thank you for the hint, but the problem is that the ISO file apparently has no % character: In the export form -from DOS version- I selected the # character as record delimiter and ~ (Alt+126) character as field delimiter. (The % character is only used in data entry worksheets, but it does not appear in the export ISO files, or at least I cannot see it - I sent some sample ISO file in a previous mail, so you can check).
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> Kind regards
>> giuzzo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: spinaker
>> To: isis-users at iccisis.org
>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats
>>
>> Dear Giuzzo
>>
>> Yes, this trick works, because I do this kind of customization of ISO files very often
>>
>> Regards
>> Ernesto Spinak
>>
>>
>> El 28/04/2014 17:25, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:
>>> Dear Giuzzo,
>>>
>>> I think that you can edit the ISO file with a text editor and replace the % character by another one such as the & character. I am not sure but it may work.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Jean-Claude
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:
>>>> Dear Egbert and Jean-Claude
>>>>
>>>> many thanks for your valuable hints. It seems now to be working ...! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Egbert, you' re perfectly right: the indexing technique 0 (instead of 5) in field 26 in the FST is a real mistake.
>>>> I didn't even notice that in the JISIS dictionary there was no entry "Z=xxx" (in the sample I sent).
>>>> The very strange fact is that the (wrong) syntax (26, 0, mpu,"Z="V26) in the FST worked perfectly for more than 20 years in hundreds and hundreds of libraries using TECAdb in the CDS/ISIS-WinISIS versions (!?) (in facts you can easily check that in the sample ISIS "DOS" version I attached to the mail, you can find all the "Z=" terms in the Inverted file, despite the wrong syntax!).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I changed the FST as you suggested and tried your test-PFT and it works!
>>>> Now I'll try to change all the PFT's in a correct way (and may be I will need your help again, because now I'm getting some parsing error... :-( )
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again
>>>>
>>>> (I'm still having problems with the repeatable subfields, as I told you...I understand that this is probably due somehow to a certain "misuse" of the repetitions)
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> bye
>>>>
>>>> giuzzo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Smet Egbert" <egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>>>> To: "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>>>> Cc: "Jean-Claude Dauphin" <jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:37 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello again,
>>>>
>>>> no need to apologize, I only wanted to make clear why there was no immediate reply.
>>>> Now, I checked your PFT and I think the problem is with the syntax.
>>>>
>>>> First of all I changed the line creating the 'Z=' entries, by making it technique 5 (instead of 0) :
>>>> 26 5 '/Z=/',mpu,(V26/)
>>>> as before that I didn't see any Z= entries in your dictionary.
>>>>
>>>> Then I created the following PFT for testing the REF-function (e.g. called 'testref') :
>>>> (if p(v27) then
>>>> REF(L('Z='v27),
>>>> 'V1='v1' ',
>>>> 'V26='v26' ',
>>>> 'V29='v29/'<BR>')
>>>> else 'no references' fi)
>>>>
>>>> and the output for MFN 2 is, in my opinion correct :
>>>> V1=^aInferno V26=005555 V29=1
>>>> V1=^aPurgatorio V26=005556 V29=2
>>>> V1=^aParadiso V26=005557 V29=3
>>>>
>>>> Based on this output from the basic model PFT for the REF-function, I think you should be able to correct your PFT with correct output.
>>>> If you don't manage, let us know.
>>>> Egbert de Smet
>>>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Giuzzo Barbaro [g.barbaro at mclink.net]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:49 PM
>>>> To: De Smet Egbert
>>>> Cc: Jean-Claude Dauphin
>>>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats
>>>>
>>>> Dear Egbert, Dear Jean-Claude
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your kind interest.
>>>> I am perfectly aware that you -and many people in the ISIS community- are
>>>> working mostly on a "voluntary basis" for the ISIS project, and all of us
>>>> are
>>>> very grateful to you for all the efforts (and the great work) you have done
>>>> and still are doing for us.
>>>> Therefore I apologize if I gave to you the impression to ask (or worse
>>>> "claim"...!) for a quick solution: it was absolutely far from my intentions.
>>>> I just wanted to share a problem with people having a much deeper knowledge
>>>> than mine, thinking that maybe other people encountered -and solved- the
>>>> same problems,
>>>> and I sent the files attached to my previous mail because I was asked to do
>>>> so by someone. In the last days I shared with friends living near me the
>>>> great surprise and the honour of getting an (unespected) answer from you to
>>>> my emails.
>>>>
>>>> (I can simply add that working on a "voluntary basis" applies somehow also
>>>> to me-at a much lower level, as I was asked to solve this problem -on a free
>>>> basis, of course, as usual...- by others who updated their machines to
>>>> 64-bit ones, and this is not "my" database - I am only a school Math
>>>> teacher, with a little ISIS knowledge due to many years of usage.)
>>>>
>>>> Therefore it is not my intention to abuse your kindness and your time, not
>>>> to put anyone in a hurry to solve my problems, please trust me. English is
>>>> not my native language, and maybe some of my expressions are not a correct
>>>> translation of my real thoughts and feelings.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> giuzzo
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "De Smet Egbert" <egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>>>> To: "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net>; "Jcd" <jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: <isis-users at iccisis.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO
>>>> Files -andPFTFormats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> in order to fully check your problem (which is in fact the 'repeatable
>>>> subfield' problem, something which originally was NOT envisaged by
>>>> ISIS-technology) a careful setup is required and this simply takes some more
>>>> time to be set aside for finding out. None of us is full-time freed from
>>>> other professional responsibilities to deal with such issues, it is all
>>>> about voluntary time and efforts, hoping to sustain the ISIS-technology.
>>>> When we discussed the REF-function for J-ISIS the idea was to fully copy its
>>>> functionality from WinISIS (in fact such 'run-time'-on-demand
>>>> semi-relational capability is something other database technology is envying
>>>> ISIS for), so that for sure should be tested carefully and if found wrong
>>>> corrected. Maybe your data provide us with interesting testing data, that
>>>> can be useful indeed.
>>>> So, some patience please.
>>>>
>>>> Egbert de Smet
>>>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: isis-users [isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=ua.ac.be at iccisis.org] on
>>>> behalf of Giuzzo Barbaro [g.barbaro at mclink.net]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:54 AM
>>>> To: Jcd
>>>> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -
>>>> andPFTFormats
>>>>
>>>> Dear Jean-Claude
>>>> yesterday I sent this mail to you, with some attachments, but I got an NDR
>>>> message from your server (message too big (?) - it was not so big, about
>>>> 160kB...). So I decided to cut the old conversations and try to send it
>>>> again to you.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> giuzzo
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Giuzzo Barbaro<mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>>>> To: María Mercedes MacLean<mailto:gaspyy at infovia.com.ar> ;
>>>> Jcd<mailto:jc.dauphin at gmail.com> ; De Smet
>>>> Egbert<mailto:egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>>>> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org<mailto:isis-users at iccisis.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -
>>>> andPFTFormats
>>>>
>>>> Dear Jean-Claude, Maria Mercedes, Egbert and all friends,
>>>>
>>>> attached to this mail you'll find some files (in .zip format) - 2 export
>>>> .ISO files and the TECA db structure, and an explanation (Word) of the work
>>>> I have done, to explain in a simple (?) way the problems I have encountered.
>>>> Thaks again for your help.
>>>> Have a nice weekend
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Giuzzo
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
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