[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -andPFTFormats
Wenke Adam
wenkeadam at gmail.com
Tue Apr 29 21:11:04 CEST 2014
Question:
Can you really make global substitutions in an ISO file using more/less
chars than the original string?
I understood that the ISO file was generated on the exact character count
of each field/record, and if you need to do substitutions that are not 1:1
you need to export to text file (with i2id/id2i or other), do the changes
and convert back to database...
Regards
wenke
2014-04-29 1:54 GMT-04:00 Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net>:
> I think the problem begins in the old Export process, during which a
> "field" delimiter mark (~ for example) is given also any time there is a
> "subfield" repetition.
> A possible "empirical" solution perhaps could be simply deleting the field
> delimiter mark (~), if any, just before a subfield delimiter (e.g. changing
> "~^e" with "^e" in the whole ISO file), assuming that no other field ever
> "begins" with the same subfiled delimiter (e.g. ^e) in the whole db (?).
> But I need to test how the parsing (and translating) process will work in
> that case, and I have many doubts. I'll check in the sample ISO.
>
> Have a good day
> giuzzo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net>
> *To:* spinaker <spinaker at adinet.com.uy>
> *Cc:* isis-users at iccisis.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files
> -andPFTFormats
>
> Dear friends,
>
> In facts to solve the problem of the 'missing titles' in a practical way,
> I was thinking about making a sort of "global change" in the ISO file,
> changing "~^e" with " : " , which is the correct ISBD(M) syntax for this
> subfield in the title area (indeed there is no real need to use a
> repeatable subfield in this particular case) - or similars. But the problem
> is that this change may affect all the ^e subfields also in the other
> fields in the whole database, if any. And the syntax is not always the
> same. How can I make a global change only in field 1 in the whole ISO file
> (or similar actions)?
>
> Good night to you all
> Giuzzo
>
> Il giorno 28/apr/2014, alle ore 22:59, spinaker <spinaker at adinet.com.uy>
> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Giuzzo
>
> You are right, repeatable char is only used in the data entry worksheet,
> because the repetition feature is managed by the directory section of the
> Record,
> Anyway, you always can edit an ISO record as a text file,
>
> Regards
> Ernesto
>
> El 28/04/2014 17:54, Giuzzo Barbaro escribió:
>
> Dear Ernesto and Jean-Claude
>
> Thank you for the hint, but the problem is that the ISO file apparently
> has no % character: In the export form -from DOS version- I selected the #
> character as record delimiter and ~ (Alt+126) character as field delimiter.
> (The % character is only used in data entry worksheets, but it does not
> appear in the export ISO files, or at least I cannot see it - I sent some
> sample ISO file in a previous mail, so you can check).
>
> :-(
>
> Kind regards
> giuzzo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* spinaker <spinaker at adinet.com.uy>
> *To:* isis-users at iccisis.org
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 10:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files
> -andPFTFormats
>
> Dear Giuzzo
>
> Yes, this trick works, because I do this kind of customization of ISO
> files very often
>
> Regards
> Ernesto Spinak
>
>
> El 28/04/2014 17:25, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:
>
> Dear Giuzzo,
>
> I think that you can edit the ISO file with a text editor and replace the
> % character by another one such as the & character. I am not sure but it
> may work.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net>wrote:
>
>> Dear Egbert and Jean-Claude
>>
>> many thanks for your valuable hints. It seems now to be working ...! :-)
>>
>> Egbert, you' re perfectly right: the indexing technique 0 (instead of 5)
>> in field 26 in the FST is a real mistake.
>> I didn't even notice that in the JISIS dictionary there was no entry
>> "Z=xxx" (in the sample I sent).
>> The very strange fact is that the (wrong) syntax (26, 0, mpu,"Z="V26) in
>> the FST worked perfectly for more than 20 years in hundreds and hundreds of
>> libraries using TECAdb in the CDS/ISIS-WinISIS versions (!?) (in facts you
>> can easily check that in the sample ISIS "DOS" version I attached to the
>> mail, you can find all the "Z=" terms in the Inverted file, despite the
>> wrong syntax!).
>>
>> Anyway, I changed the FST as you suggested and tried your test-PFT and it
>> works!
>> Now I'll try to change all the PFT's in a correct way (and may be I will
>> need your help again, because now I'm getting some parsing error... :-( )
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> (I'm still having problems with the repeatable subfields, as I told
>> you...I understand that this is probably due somehow to a certain "misuse"
>> of the repetitions)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> bye
>>
>> giuzzo
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Smet Egbert" <
>> egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>> To: "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>> Cc: "Jean-Claude Dauphin" <jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files
>> -andPFTFormats
>>
>>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> no need to apologize, I only wanted to make clear why there was no
>> immediate reply.
>> Now, I checked your PFT and I think the problem is with the syntax.
>>
>> First of all I changed the line creating the 'Z=' entries, by making it
>> technique 5 (instead of 0) :
>> 26 5 '/Z=/',mpu,(V26/)
>> as before that I didn't see any Z= entries in your dictionary.
>>
>> Then I created the following PFT for testing the REF-function (e.g.
>> called 'testref') :
>> (if p(v27) then
>> REF(L('Z='v27),
>> 'V1='v1' ',
>> 'V26='v26' ',
>> 'V29='v29/'<BR>')
>> else 'no references' fi)
>>
>> and the output for MFN 2 is, in my opinion correct :
>> V1=^aInferno V26=005555 V29=1
>> V1=^aPurgatorio V26=005556 V29=2
>> V1=^aParadiso V26=005557 V29=3
>>
>> Based on this output from the basic model PFT for the REF-function, I
>> think you should be able to correct your PFT with correct output.
>> If you don't manage, let us know.
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Giuzzo Barbaro [g.barbaro at mclink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:49 PM
>> To: De Smet Egbert
>> Cc: Jean-Claude Dauphin
>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files
>> -andPFTFormats
>>
>> Dear Egbert, Dear Jean-Claude
>>
>> Thank you for your kind interest.
>> I am perfectly aware that you -and many people in the ISIS community- are
>> working mostly on a "voluntary basis" for the ISIS project, and all of us
>> are
>> very grateful to you for all the efforts (and the great work) you have
>> done
>> and still are doing for us.
>> Therefore I apologize if I gave to you the impression to ask (or worse
>> "claim"...!) for a quick solution: it was absolutely far from my
>> intentions.
>> I just wanted to share a problem with people having a much deeper
>> knowledge
>> than mine, thinking that maybe other people encountered -and solved- the
>> same problems,
>> and I sent the files attached to my previous mail because I was asked to
>> do
>> so by someone. In the last days I shared with friends living near me the
>> great surprise and the honour of getting an (unespected) answer from you
>> to
>> my emails.
>>
>> (I can simply add that working on a "voluntary basis" applies somehow also
>> to me-at a much lower level, as I was asked to solve this problem -on a
>> free
>> basis, of course, as usual...- by others who updated their machines to
>> 64-bit ones, and this is not "my" database - I am only a school Math
>> teacher, with a little ISIS knowledge due to many years of usage.)
>>
>> Therefore it is not my intention to abuse your kindness and your time, not
>> to put anyone in a hurry to solve my problems, please trust me. English is
>> not my native language, and maybe some of my expressions are not a correct
>> translation of my real thoughts and feelings.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> giuzzo
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "De Smet Egbert" <egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>> To: "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net>; "Jcd" <jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <isis-users at iccisis.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO
>> Files -andPFTFormats
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> in order to fully check your problem (which is in fact the 'repeatable
>> subfield' problem, something which originally was NOT envisaged by
>> ISIS-technology) a careful setup is required and this simply takes some
>> more
>> time to be set aside for finding out. None of us is full-time freed from
>> other professional responsibilities to deal with such issues, it is all
>> about voluntary time and efforts, hoping to sustain the ISIS-technology.
>> When we discussed the REF-function for J-ISIS the idea was to fully copy
>> its
>> functionality from WinISIS (in fact such 'run-time'-on-demand
>> semi-relational capability is something other database technology is
>> envying
>> ISIS for), so that for sure should be tested carefully and if found wrong
>> corrected. Maybe your data provide us with interesting testing data, that
>> can be useful indeed.
>> So, some patience please.
>>
>> Egbert de Smet
>> Universiteit Antwerpen
>> ________________________________________
>> From: isis-users [isis-users-bounces+egbert.desmet=ua.ac.be at iccisis.org]
>> on
>> behalf of Giuzzo Barbaro [g.barbaro at mclink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:54 AM
>> To: Jcd
>> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org
>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -
>> andPFTFormats
>>
>> Dear Jean-Claude
>> yesterday I sent this mail to you, with some attachments, but I got an NDR
>> message from your server (message too big (?) - it was not so big, about
>> 160kB...). So I decided to cut the old conversations and try to send it
>> again to you.
>> Thanks
>> Kind regards
>> giuzzo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Giuzzo Barbaro<mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>> To: María Mercedes MacLean<mailto:gaspyy at infovia.com.ar> ;
>> Jcd<mailto:jc.dauphin at gmail.com> ; De Smet
>> Egbert<mailto:egbert.desmet at uantwerpen.be>
>> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org<mailto:isis-users at iccisis.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files -
>> andPFTFormats
>>
>> Dear Jean-Claude, Maria Mercedes, Egbert and all friends,
>>
>> attached to this mail you'll find some files (in .zip format) - 2 export
>> .ISO files and the TECA db structure, and an explanation (Word) of the
>> work
>> I have done, to explain in a simple (?) way the problems I have
>> encountered.
>> Thaks again for your help.
>> Have a nice weekend
>> Kind regards
>> Giuzzo
>>
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