[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats

[Jcd]

Dear Guizzo,

Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS language with subfields occurrences such as:
(V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences
V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12
Any other ideas ?

I will check yr problem with the REF function 

Best,

Jean-Claude


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On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:

> * ...ooops...: I meant "PRI.PFT" (!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Giuzzo Barbaro
> To: Jean-Claude Dauphin
> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats
> 
> Hi Jean-Claude
> many thanks -again- for your reply.
> As for repeatable fields, you are certainly    right: but the fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users here used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat the same field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a previous subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del Bigio - (1989).
> Anyway, I tried to change the data removing the % mark in a limited number of records in the Title field, and the import seems now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be sure that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks in the database will definitively work, also if a 'group of subfields' are being repeated.
>  
> I'm still having problems with the REF function.  :-(   
> Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need to display all the records linked to the main one in a hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the equivalent one in the "second-level" description records). The "old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the format as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first record linked to the main one, and not all the others.
> I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST    format used in TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to explain what I am talking about.
>  
> Thanks again for your valuable and kind help
>  
> Kind regards
> Giuzzo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean-Claude Dauphin
> To: Giuzzo Barbaro
> Cc: isis-users at iccisis.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFT Formats
> 
> Hi Giuzzo,
> 
> > a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has 
> > many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-
> > ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
> 
> I am not sure but the use of % symbol for repeatable subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol. Repeatable subfields are simply repeated as  "^aTitle^efirst description^esecond description". This is probably an ISIS particular format for repeatable fields. When you export the data in ISO2709 format, it is strange to get the % separator character followed by a subfield letter . 
> 
> > b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
> Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive in the PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in your data, i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it should be ^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.
> 
> 
> > c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft 
> > formats?
> 
> Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference Manual. It should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)
> 
> Hope this will help,
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jean-Claude Dauphin
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro <g.barbaro at mclink.net> wrote:
>> Hi to all
>> I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000 record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a database used in many Italian libraries) and I get the following problems:
>> a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts the Title and the first description. If you repeat the whole field beginning from the first subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
>> b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield delimiters to one of the two formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper case, someone the lower(!)
>> c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in order to display the contents of the single parts of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow in JISIS pft formats?
>>  
>> Thanks for your help
>> Bye
>> Giuzzo Barbaro
>> 
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