[Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO Files - and PFTFormats
spinaker
spinaker at adinet.com.uy
Tue Apr 22 22:07:37 CEST 2014
Dear JC
the syntax you propose would seem the most simple and understable, is
almost a natural extension of what we use
regards
Ernesto Spinak
El 22/04/2014 16:15, Jean-Claude Dauphin escribió:
> Dear Ernesto,
>
> I would suggest the following:
>
> v12[3]^r[1]
>
> to extract the first subfield ^r from the third occ of the field v12
>
> At first glance it should be possible to implement this syntax. But I
> have to check in depth if the J-ISIS PFT language grammar can accept
> such commands.
>
> Thank you for raising this issue. Please provide suggestions on how to
> define PFT commands to manage repeatable subfields.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, spinaker <spinaker at adinet.com.uy
> <mailto:spinaker at adinet.com.uy>> wrote:
>
> Dear JC
>
> With the suggested syntax, how do you distinguish between a
> repeatable field from the repeatable subfield?
>
> Example
>
> * v12[1] ^aPersonal Name1 ^dDates ^rRelator term 1.1 ^rRelator
> term 1.2
> v12[2] ^aPersonal Name2 ^dDates ^rRelator term 2.1
> v12[3] ^aPersonal Name3 ^dDates ^rRelator term 3.1 ^rRelator term
> 3.2*
>
> now, you want to extract the first subfield ^r from the third occ
> of the field v12
>
> Regards
> Ernesto Spiak
>
>
>
> El 20/04/2014 17:32, Jcd escribió:
>> Dear Guizzo,
>>
>> Could you please explain how you use repeatable subfields in
>> ISiS/WinISIS. I mean in PFTs. Do you think that extending PFTS
>> language with subfields occurrences such as:
>> (V12^a) ->all V12^a subfields occurrences
>> V12^a[1] -> occurrence 1 of subfield a field 12
>> Any other ideas ?
>>
>> I will check yr problem with the REF function
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jean-Claude
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 23:33, "Giuzzo Barbaro" <g.barbaro at mclink.net
>> <mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> * ...ooops...: I meant "PRI.*PFT*" (!)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Giuzzo Barbaro <mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>>> *To:* Jean-Claude Dauphin <mailto:jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* isis-users at iccisis.org <mailto:isis-users at iccisis.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:23 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing ISO
>>> Files - and PFTFormats
>>>
>>> Hi Jean-Claude
>>> many thanks -again- for your reply.
>>> As for repeatable fields, you are certainly right: but the
>>> fact is that, for some reason, we and many other users here
>>> used to insert the % mark every time they needed to repeat
>>> the same field, or the same subfield delimiter, or a
>>> previous subfield delimiter (or a sequence of previous
>>> subfield delimiters) in a specific field. I think it was on
>>> the basis of a "hint" on pag. 92 of the old "Mini-micro
>>> CDS/ISIS Reference manual Version 2.3" by Giampaolo Del
>>> Bigio - (1989).
>>> Anyway, I tried to change the data removing the % mark in a
>>> limited number of records in the Title field, and the import
>>> seems now to work correctly. I'll make some test again to be
>>> sure that a sort of global change deleting all the % marks
>>> in the database will definitively work, also if a 'group of
>>> subfields' are being repeated.
>>> I'm still having problems with the REF function. :-(
>>> Tag V27 (indexed as "Z=...") is a repeatable field - I need
>>> to display all the records linked to the main one in a
>>> hierarchical relationship "one to many" (Tag V28 is the
>>> equivalent one in the "second-level" description records).
>>> The "old" syntax "(REF(L(|Z=|V27),...etc..." worked well
>>> both in ISIS-DOS and Winisis. I tried to change the format
>>> as you explained REF(L('Z=V27')...) (?), also with some
>>> minor changes, but I get no data or at most only the first
>>> record linked to the main one, and not all the others.
>>> I attach to this mail the "original" PRI.FST format used in
>>> TECA database (imported in JISIS with minor changes) just to
>>> explain what I am talking about.
>>> Thanks again for your valuable and kind help
>>> Kind regards
>>> Giuzzo
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Jean-Claude Dauphin <mailto:jc.dauphin at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Giuzzo Barbaro <mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>
>>> *Cc:* isis-users at iccisis.org
>>> <mailto:isis-users at iccisis.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:54 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Isis-users] JISIS - Problems Importing
>>> ISO Files - and PFT Formats
>>>
>>> Hi Giuzzo,
>>>
>>> > a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol to
>>> repeat only some subfields of a certain field (and not
>>> the whole field), the Import wizard cuts all the part of
>>> the field before the % symbol . For example: TAG 1
>>> (Title) has
>>> > manysubfields delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
>>> "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it cuts
>>> the Title and the first description. If you repeat the
>>> whole field beginning from the first subfield the import
>>> is OK. (The old CDS-
>>> > ISIS Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
>>>
>>> I am not sure but the use of % symbol for repeatable
>>> subfields is not a valid MARC ISO2709 symbol. Repeatable
>>> subfields are simply repeated as "^aTitle^efirst
>>> description^esecond description". This is probably an
>>> ISIS particular format for repeatable fields. When you
>>> export the data in ISO2709 format, it is strange to get
>>> the % separator character followed by a subfield letter .
>>>
>>> > b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case
>>> sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or V1^A).
>>> It seems that the same formats imported in JISIS are
>>> case sensitive (?). So I need to change all the subfield
>>> delimiters to one of the > two formats (upper/lower). Is
>>> it correct? - The problem is that someone used the upper
>>> case, someone the lower(!)
>>> Well, it's true subfield delimiters are case sensitive
>>> in the PFTs but it should correspond to what you have in
>>> your data, i.e. if you have ^aTitle in your data, it
>>> should be ^a. It's only a global change in your PFTs.
>>>
>>>
>>> > c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS pft
>>> formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call, in
>>> order to display the contents of the single parts of a
>>> many-volume book. Is it possible to translate it somehow
>>> in JISIS pft
>>> > formats?
>>>
>>> Have a look to page 57 and 62 of the J-ISIS Reference
>>> Manual. It should be something like REF(L(V27),<format>)
>>>
>>> Hope this will help,
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jean-Claude Dauphin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Giuzzo Barbaro
>>> <g.barbaro at mclink.net <mailto:g.barbaro at mclink.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to all
>>> I'm trying to import into JISIS a 6.000
>>> record ISIS-WinISIS database called TECA (it is a
>>> database used in many Italian libraries) and I get
>>> the following problems:
>>> a) Repeatable subfields. when you use the % symbol
>>> to repeat only some subfields of a certain field
>>> (and not the whole field), the Import wizard cuts
>>> all the part of the field before the % symbol . For
>>> example: TAG 1 (Title) has many subfields
>>> delimiters: abcdefghi. If a record is
>>> "^aTitle^efirst description%esecond description" it
>>> cuts the Title and the first description. If you
>>> repeat the whole field beginning from the first
>>> subfield the import is OK. (The old CDS-ISIS
>>> Export/Import option worked well in both cases.)
>>> b) The ISIS pft formats were not upper/lower case
>>> sensitive as to the subfield delimiter (V1^a or
>>> V1^A). It seems that the same formats imported in
>>> JISIS are case sensitive (?). So I need to change
>>> all the subfield delimiters to one of the two
>>> formats (upper/lower). Is it correct? - The problem
>>> is that someone used the upper case, someone the
>>> lower(!)
>>> c) How can I manage the REF function used in ISIS
>>> pft formats in JISIS? TECA.pft has a REF(LV27) call,
>>> in order to display the contents of the single parts
>>> of a many-volume book. Is it possible to translate
>>> it somehow in JISIS pft formats?
>>> Thanks for your help
>>> Bye
>>> Giuzzo Barbaro
>>>
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